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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

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    That ruling is just a little taste of the tyranny that you're going to start seeing more and more of. The ruling is, in fact, fraudulent.

    Obama initially got people to support the bill by promising it wasn't a tax. The problem that arose was that if it wasn't a tax, it was unconstitutional. So Chief Justice John Roberts rewrote the bill as a tax because it turns out the bill could be upheld only as an exercise of Congress’s power to tax. The constitution mandates that bills for "raising revenue" must be in compliance with the Origination Clause (Art. I, Sec. 7), which requires that all tax bills must originate in the House of Representatives, from which obamacare did not.

    Obamacare is, therefore, unconstitutional. So, while I was correctly calling it like it is, our supreme court justices are not. When this happens, and you have federal judges making fraudulent rulings and deceiving the American people, it is called a "rogue" government. If nobody complains, it progresses into a dictatorship (history has shown). Before you go on supporting obamacare, think about complaining. Consider that laws were broken in order to pass it. Most of all, ponder the possible reasons for why they are doing this, because if you think it's because they care about our health, then you have a lot to learn about reality.
    Rule of law is not tyranny. At some point the hyperbole becomes cartoonish. This is why your leaders lose credibility so quickly. You're entire response fits that category.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i don't think you can just go around claiming the healthcare law is unconstitutional just because the supreme court made a verdict contradicting your political believes. the supreme court rules what is unconstitutional according to their understanding of the constitution.

    and on a unrelated note, i think you are confusing tyranny with losing.
    I explained exactly why it is unconstitutional, in FULL detail. Article 1, Section 7. If you take 2 minutes to check the facts, you'll find it is applicable. You didn't check. Who's gonna take 2 minutes out of their day to see that they're wrong?

    I know, you refuse to accept the fact that supreme court justices would deliberately violate the law. Maybe you should take a look, then, at some other fairly recent rulings.

    For example, the Chris Hedges vs. Obama NDAA lawsuit over whether it was ok for the military to snatch up american journalists and ordinary citizens and throw them in a guantanamo-like setting, indefinitely, without trlal or charge, no attorney, no notification of relatives, no 3 phone calls, nothing, gone, goodbye. US district judge Katherine Forrest found that section 1021 of the NDAA, which had been rushed into law amid secrecy and in haste on New Year's Eve 2011, was facially unconstitutional, and had a chilling effect on the 1st amendment. She permanently enjoined that section, because she repeatedly asked obamas attorneys to be more specific about the vagueness of "associated forces", and they would not.

    It should be noted that when Katherine Forrest was nominated to the Southern District of New York, the ABA deemed her “unanimously well-qualified”. Don't kid yourself.Her decision was the correct decision.

    The injunction was appealed, 2 corrupt judges were appointed, and it ended up being overturned. So if you insist this "contradicts my political beliefs", then I suppose it does. I was taught in school a long time ago that the constitution was non-negotiable.

    The link below is the MSM soft version of the story, downplaying the seriousness of it all:
    Federal judge blocks National Defense Authorization Act provision - Los Angeles Times

    This link below is the Naomi Wolf version telling it like it is. She was one of only 2 reporters that covered the case. The other reporter was from The Guardian:

    The NDAA's section 1021 coup d'etat foiled | Naomi Wolf | Law | theguardian.com
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The authors find that applicants with white-sounding names are 50 percent more likely to get called for an initial interview than applicants with African-American-sounding names. Applicants with white names need to send about 10 resumes to get one callback, whereas applicants with African-American names need to send about 15 resumes to achieve the same result.

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    Racial discrimination continues to play a part in hiring decisions | Economic Policy Institute

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01race.html?_r=0

    I usually stop at three, but I can provide more. I took just a couple of different sources, to show it's well covered. You can look yourself if you doubt me.
    The first two articles I found interesting, and I have to say, on their face persuasive even though they are 10 years old, I am just not sure how you would battle attitudes of people entrenched in human resource depts. in all companies across the country, plus I am not sure how you would think that reparations (even though you said you weren't necessarily for them) paid to people that may, or may not be linked in any way to generations 4 or 5 times removed from any ancestors involved in servitude of any kind. The third article from the NYTimes, although had a more recent study in it, unfortunately blew any credibility of their argument by leaning on the lazy argument that in today's market, black individuals are suffering in the job market because Obama is the President, and it just must be those racist (probably conservatives) that hate a black man in the WH that are intentionally discriminating.

    This is why I took time to explain the problem. What you can't see doesn't exist. Not for you. You can't tackle the problem if you don't understand it. You can blame the victim. You can ignore it. Or you can dig in and try to change it. but realize it's an uphill battle. And not one that will be easily fixed.
    Do you ever see a world where racism of some sort is non existent? Because surely America is not the only place on the planet where racism exists right?

    Which doesn't fix the problem, just moves a few to another area. Again, that solution shows a lack of understanding to the problem.
    As an educator, I would think that better education would be one of your top keys to success for any young person. But, sadly I think with many educators they see school choice as a threat to their relatively protected positions mired in mediocrity, rather than putting the child's welfare educationally first.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    I explained exactly why it is unconstitutional, in FULL detail. Article 1, Section 7. If you take 2 minutes to check the facts, you'll find it is applicable. You didn't check. Who's gonna take 2 minutes out of their day to see that they're wrong?

    I know, you refuse to accept the fact that supreme court justices would deliberately violate the law. Maybe you should take a look, then, at some other fairly recent rulings.

    For example, the Chris Hedges vs. Obama NDAA lawsuit over whether it was ok for the military to snatch up american journalists and ordinary citizens and throw them in a guantanamo-like setting, indefinitely, without trlal or charge, no attorney, no notification of relatives, no 3 phone calls, nothing, gone, goodbye. US district judge Katherine Forrest found that section 1021 of the NDAA, which had been rushed into law amid secrecy and in haste on New Year's Eve 2011, was facially unconstitutional, and had a chilling effect on the 1st amendment. She permanently enjoined that section, because she repeatedly asked obamas attorneys to be more specific about the vagueness of "associated forces", and they would not.

    It should be noted that when Katherine Forrest was nominated to the Southern District of New York, the ABA deemed her “unanimously well-qualified”. Don't kid yourself.Her decision was the correct decision.

    The injunction was appealed, 2 corrupt judges were appointed, and it ended up being overturned. So if you insist this "contradicts my political beliefs", then I suppose it does. I was taught in school a long time ago that the constitution was non-negotiable.

    The link below is the MSM soft version of the story, downplaying the seriousness of it all:
    Federal judge blocks National Defense Authorization Act provision - Los Angeles Times

    This link below is the Naomi Wolf version telling it like it is. She was one of only 2 reporters that covered the case. The other reporter was from The Guardian:

    The NDAA's section 1021 coup d'etat foiled | Naomi Wolf | Law | theguardian.com
    Bravo Kit.... This post, as well as your previous post that Boo chose not to address, but rather attack you, is to the point, and spot on....Thank you!
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Oh come now...slavery wasn't that bad.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh come now...slavery wasn't that bad.
    Oh gheeze.....
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Rule of law is not tyranny. At some point the hyperbole becomes cartoonish. This is why your leaders lose credibility so quickly. You're entire response fits that category.
    That really depends on the law, doesn't it?

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The first two articles I found interesting, and I have to say, on their face persuasive even though they are 10 years old, I am just not sure how you would battle attitudes of people entrenched in human resource depts. in all companies across the country, plus I am not sure how you would think that reparations (even though you said you weren't necessarily for them) paid to people that may, or may not be linked in any way to generations 4 or 5 times removed from any ancestors involved in servitude of any kind. The third article from the NYTimes, although had a more recent study in it, unfortunately blew any credibility of their argument by leaning on the lazy argument that in today's market, black individuals are suffering in the job market because Obama is the President, and it just must be those racist (probably conservatives) that hate a black man in the WH that are intentionally discriminating.



    Do you ever see a world where racism of some sort is non existent? Because surely America is not the only place on the planet where racism exists right?



    As an educator, I would think that better education would be one of your top keys to success for any young person. But, sadly I think with many educators they see school choice as a threat to their relatively protected positions mired in mediocrity, rather than putting the child's welfare educationally first.
    I wouldn't dismiss the NYT too much. But that is hardly the point. As I said, there's a lot out there.

    Non-existent? Maybe. But it takes far more time than we've spent.

    As for education, I never said I didn't think education was key. In fact, I specifically said it was. What I also said was vochers didn't fix the educational problem. If it benefited anyone at all, which is debatable, it would not benefit enough to make it a solution worth consideration. I think I made this quite clear.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    That really depends on the law, doesn't it?
    Somewhat, but you have to actually show an abuse. You can't just scream a tyranny and expect to be taken seriously.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I wouldn't dismiss the NYT too much. But that is hardly the point. As I said, there's a lot out there.

    Non-existent? Maybe. But it takes far more time than we've spent.

    As for education, I never said I didn't think education was key. In fact, I specifically said it was. What I also said was vochers didn't fix the educational problem. If it benefited anyone at all, which is debatable, it would not benefit enough to make it a solution worth consideration. I think I made this quite clear.

    When the NYTimes takes the tact of trying to tie a serious subject like this to racial hatred of Obama simply because the opposition party is well, opposing him, then yes I will, and they should be dismissed.

    Maybe? You really think that there is a place where there is 0 racism? Oh my....That is real self delusion, sorry.

    For a real world example of how vouchers did make a positive difference, just take a look at DC pre Obama....Rhee was pilloried by liberal NEA types for a program that gave those children a real chance at education...Now, thanks to Obama's nod to teacher unions that is all done now, and the children suffer...But hey, as long as some useless educrat gets to keep their job, and future pension with tenure they do NOT deserve, it's all good right?
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