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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Wow, little thin on your history there.

    First, slavery has not been limited to just one race, that is to ignore all but American, and substantially more, South American history. Slavery was, with perhaps the exception of Antarctica, a world wide long lived phenomenon. All races have pretty much been slaves and had slaves...so let us get a bit more realistic, could we?

    The North also benefited beyond the actual slave trade, shut off by the Constitution [except internally], and by law in 1808, twenty years after the Constitution was adopted. The North was mainly responsible for the international portion of the "carrying trade"...Cotton was our #1 export back then...Britain and France would buy all we could grow, so the North risked a lot for the end of the slave trade as well as did the South.

    Yes the south benefited the most, however only 10% of all southerners owned slaves...means 90%, the overwhelming majority, did not.

    Slavery is not just about work without pay, though many of us are subjected to an almost half slavery just with the amount, total, taken from us by government annually, it is also about not owning your own body. With government ultimately in control of health care, that is just another addition on the the straws weighted upon the camels back...government telling us which oils we can use in some parts, telling us how large a soda we can have in others, light bulbs, more and more regulations, stipulations and add political correctness...no whip marks on my back, many that offend and crack at my values, morals, ethics and principles...
    Since the good Dr.'s comments were implied to refer strictly to slavery in the U.S., I limited my commentary to the north American slave trade. For you to play ignorant on this issue and attempt to make it into something it is not says a lot about just how far some people like yourself will go to the issue their way just to make themselves look more authentic and less foolish.

    As for your North -vs- South argument on the slave trade, I already eluded to how the north benefitted off of slavery indirectly through import/export. Why you saw fit to try to expand on what was an otherwise well established point only plays to your attempt to backpedal and reset.

    To your last point, "government owning your body", really? So, saying to people, "get health care so that you can better monitor your health and, thereby, be able to take better care of your body should you get sick or injured" is a bad thing?

    Really?
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Deuce said nothing of the sort you liar.

    You, on the other hand, seem to think income is required by law. (because that's a condition of the Obamacare tax penalty)
    Ok...so then you are saying that children are now required to produce income? Because the IRS says children must have insurance.

    Questions and Answers on the Individual Shared Responsibility Provision

    9. Are children subject to the individual shared responsibility provision?
    Yes. Each child must have minimum essential coverage or qualify for an exemption for each month in the calendar year. Otherwise, the adult or married couple who can claim the child as a dependent for federal income tax purposes will owe a payment.

    10. Are senior citizens subject to the individual shared responsibility provision?
    Yes. Senior citizens must have minimum essential coverage or qualify for an exemption for each month in a calendar year. Senior citizens will have minimum essential coverage for every month they are enrolled in Medicare.

    11. Are all individuals living in the United States subject to the individual shared responsibility provision?
    All U.S. citizens are subject to the individual shared responsibility provision as are all permanent residents and all foreign nationals who are in the United States long enough during a calendar year to qualify as resident aliens for tax purposes. Foreign nationals who live in the United States for a short enough period that they do not become resident aliens for federal income tax purposes are not subject to the individual shared responsibility payment even though they may have to file a U.S. income tax return. The IRS has more information available on when a foreign national becomes a resident alien for federal income tax purposes.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Non workers and workers that do not have sufficient income must also obtain insurance. The penalty (not a true tax), is different.
    Yes, but they can apply for health care credits provided they fall at or below the federal poverty limit. So, no penalty for low-income individuals who quality. Try again.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Yes, but they can apply for health care credits provided they fall at or below the federal poverty limit. So, no penalty for low-income individuals who quality. Try again.
    Actually, those that are low income and don't have insurance are subject to the same tax penalty. They are required to get insurance, even if it is free and even if they don't earn any money.

    These liberal lies needs to stop now.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Problem is older Doc's will retire, and young potential Doc's have limited incentives.
    Younger and mid-age Doctors, especially many Foreign Doctors, have plenty of incentives, like being Dr. Feelgood??
    Why does BigPharma get a pass here??
    Many famalies can attest to an older parent being drugged to death, though we were lucky..117 Sodium count on her Meds.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    That's utterly absurd. Ben Carson is a putz.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Yes, but they can apply for health care credits provided they fall at or below the federal poverty limit. So, no penalty for low-income individuals who quality. Try again.
    Unless they choose not to apply. Try again.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    He is one of, if not the, top Constitutional scholar in this country.
    LOL no. No, he's not. Please provide some sort of evidence to support this nonsensical statement.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    No wonder the Dems wanted that Medical Device Tax, another huge cave by Obama..
    76 Senators bought-and-paid-for by the Medical Industry.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Or the fact that a 10,000% markup exists for certain medical devices.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    That's utterly absurd. Ben Carson is a putz.
    What's utterly absurd is the lack of understanding that the government forcing people to pay money to private entities is tantamount to slavery. Any perceived justification is relativistic twaddle.

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