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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Actually I would say that Stalingrad was the release of the cost database by the Obama administration. Granted it is not easily searchable, but the information is there and people can clearly see that their healthcare system is built on exploitation to the extreme. That a hospital visit for a certain procedure can vary by 100+% with in the same city.. is mind boggling.
    Or the fact that a 10,000% markup exists for certain medical devices.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Yes, but that doesn't make his assessment of the state of our nation accurate.

    I've heard this stupid analogy being made by many people - mostly from those who don't like ObamaCare - and I think to myself, "These folks can't be serious!?!"

    Slavery held only certain people in bondage due to the color of their skin. Not everyone was held back from having an opportunity to progress in life or within this country because of the color of their skin. So, that's the first problem with Dr. Carson's slavery analogy.

    Second, slavery was a socio-economic way of life for country, but only those who lived in the south benefitted the most from it. If you lived in the north, you only benefitted from the indirect revenue the slave trade brought in, i.e., slave imports and subsequent sales (but only by the slave traders and shipping merchants themselves); molasses, rum, tobacco, tea exports. The south benefited from the direct revenues slavery brought in mostly in agriculture, but also in their domestication and in some cases the local sales of slaves. It was the reciprocal earnings from crops that drew the biggest ire from those on the side of pro-slavery. They worried their entire economy (not to mention their entire way of life) would be severely disrupted if slavery were abolished. No slaves, no farming. No slaves, no carriage drivers for wealthy plantation owners. No slaves, no domestic hands to clean their homes, cook their meals, wash their clothes, or babysit their children. And that's just naming those tasks the history books showcase for the typical "house nigga".

    To suggest that the health care law is anything like the fight to preserve slavery in any way is so ridiculous even calling such an analogy "ridiculous" doesn't quite explain the ridiculousness of it all. Now, if you want to say this country hasn't had an issue so deeply divide both sides of our political system nor the country so widely, then I can certainly see the argument. But to compare ObamaCare to slavery is just ignorant. No one is oppressing you because you have to have health insurance.
    Wow, little thin on your history there.

    First, slavery has not been limited to just one race, that is to ignore all but American, and substantially more, South American history. Slavery was, with perhaps the exception of Antarctica, a world wide long lived phenomenon. All races have pretty much been slaves and had slaves...so let us get a bit more realistic, could we?

    The North also benefited beyond the actual slave trade, shut off by the Constitution [except internally], and by law in 1808, twenty years after the Constitution was adopted. The North was mainly responsible for the international portion of the "carrying trade"...Cotton was our #1 export back then...Britain and France would buy all we could grow, so the North risked a lot for the end of the slave trade as well as did the South.

    Yes the south benefited the most, however only 10% of all southerners owned slaves...means 90%, the overwhelming majority, did not.

    Slavery is not just about work without pay, though many of us are subjected to an almost half slavery just with the amount, total, taken from us by government annually, it is also about not owning your own body. With government ultimately in control of health care, that is just another addition on the the straws weighted upon the camels back...government telling us which oils we can use in some parts, telling us how large a soda we can have in others, light bulbs, more and more regulations, stipulations and add political correctness...no whip marks on my back, many that offend and crack at my values, morals, ethics and principles...
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Slavery is not just about work without pay, though many of us are subjected to an almost half slavery just with the amount, total, taken from us by government annually, it is also about not owning your own body. With government ultimately in control of health care, that is just another addition on the the straws weighted upon the camels back...government telling us which oils we can use in some parts, telling us how large a soda we can have in others, light bulbs, more and more regulations, stipulations and add political correctness...no whip marks on my back, many that offend and crack at my values and principles...
    Which part of Obamacare means you don't own your body?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Great points--Stalingrad--cost database--
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Actually I would say that Stalingrad was the release of the cost database by the Obama administration. Granted it is not easily searchable, but the information is there and people can clearly see that their healthcare system is built on exploitation to the extreme. That a hospital visit for a certain procedure can vary by 100+% with in the same city.. is mind boggling.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Well, I guess one could say institutionalization may very well have its benefits, eh?
    Yeah, like prisons and insane asylums. Of course, something tells me those weren't the established "institutions" you were going for. (Shame, shame! )
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post

    Except if you do have a car and get caught driving without auto insurance you DO pay a steep fine.
    But that's not even true. You can drive a car all day long on private property without insurance.


    Except if your house catches fire and it is determined that the smoke detector was purposely disabled, the insurance company won't pay the claim and you can be held liable for destruction of property (at the least) or reckless endangerment (at the most).
    Insurance is not the government. You are talking about the condition of a contract, not the law.

    You're right, but just as the burden of not having insurance is passed on to those who do have insurance, such is the case when the person who jury-rigged his electrical outlets passes on that risk and financial burden onto the new homeowner. (Or course, the counter-argument would be "have a home inspection performed" except home inspections DON'T look at wall sockets; they only gauge the condition and functionality of the electrical circuit breaker box.)
    Well, you are wrong about the home inspection. Most home inspectors do test the outlets for ground. However, when an individual buys a home, they buy it as is and all defects are not the responsibility of any previous owner.

    Wild analogy here since only a handful of people go on to become commercial (or private) aircraft pilots. You're really grasping at straws on this one.
    Duece was grasping at straws buy telling us everyone has to have pilot's certificate. I'm just illustrating the absurd by being absurd.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    How very corrupt capitalistic!!
    WTF? Do you even know what you said?
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Duece was grasping at straws buy telling us everyone has to have pilot's certificate. I'm just illustrating the absurd by being absurd.
    Deuce said nothing of the sort you liar.

    You, on the other hand, seem to think income is required by law. (because that's a condition of the Obamacare tax penalty)
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I agree that there has been a line crossed here, that the federal government can now forced its citizens to buy commercial products. A first or a first as far as I know. But comparing Obamacare to slavery is pure poppycock. Asinine may be a better word. This is the type of hyperbole one would expect from the Democrats in Congress. The if you don't pass this legislation, your grandma and kids will die because of republican cruelty and lack of compassion. What in the world has Washington become? I'll tell you, Washington has become a town of blithering idiots, on both sides of the aisle.
    Maybe we can dissect this a little further. You have insurance companies and government policies that strong arm DR's through contractual agreements into taking reimbursements for services at a percentage of their 100% market value. This was fine up until now because the Dr.'s could choose to not participate in the insurance market. Now that every citizen is forced into the insurance market, there is no customer left that does not participate in that market. Therefore Dr.'s will be forced to supply their labor and expertise at the rate that insurance companies decide. Insurance companies, backed by the force of government enslave a portion of the Dr's labor. This is the intentional plan to reduce cost, while supporting capped profits for insurance companies.

    Problem is older Doc's will retire, and young potential Doc's have limited incentives.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There is an act: working a job that provides sufficient income.

    The Obamacare tax penalty isn't different from an income tax in any manner of substance.
    Non workers and workers that do not have sufficient income must also obtain insurance. The penalty (not a true tax), is different.

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