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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, you threw the word "is" in there, I didn't. So, that doesn't properly relate to what I said.
    And, to be clear, are you attempting to make my statement have a different meaning than that which was intended?
    I asked for clarification. You dodged the question instead of choosing to clarify your position.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post

    Which would you prefer?
    1. Be "forced" to buy health insurance or face a 700$ fine.
    2. Be sold as human chattel in which someone else has complete control over every facet of your life and is free to abuse you in any way they see fit.
    Anyone willing to pick #2?
    So you're saying Obama has the authority to sell us as "human chattel"? No? Then you have provided a false choice. (It's also clear you are no historian on slavery in America with your comment on 2.)

    Also how do you know Dr. Carson is not a historian. Check the definition of the word and you will find it's entirely possible he is. But even if he is not, it's clear he knows enough about slavery in America and how it compares to Obamadon'tcare to tie them together.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    So you're saying Obama has the authority to sell us as "human chattel"? No? Then you have provided a false choice. (It's also clear you are no historian on slavery in America with your comment on 2.)

    Also how do you know Dr. Carson is not a historian. Check the definition of the word and you will find it's entirely possible he is. But even if he is not, it's clear he knows enough about slavery in America and how it compares to Obamadon'tcare to tie them together.
    Can you explain how a $700 fine is equivalent to a lifetime of forced servitude? I am keen on learning.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Grant

    Maybe that is the difference between our thinking.

    I don't trust government a lot, but I trust corporation even less. They are in the business to make profits and the only way they can do that is to retain as much revenue as they possibly can. I know too many people who have to consistently fight these bastards to cover a treatment including myself. I have a co-worker who had to put off a surgery for three months because she couldn't afford the deductible she had to pay up front. she would walk around in pain and I felt so bad for her.

    The reason she waited is because her benefits would have kick in after 90 days. But what if she didn't have a job? what could she have done?
    Everyone has to be paid, including bureaucrats, and it will be the faceless bureaucrats laying down the rules when all this is over. If you don't like a corporation you can go to another, or they can be closed for malfeasance. But who is going to control the government?

    As we have seen with this shutdown they can close anything they want, oit of spite and vindictiveness, and it doesn't matter how the public feels about it. There has been a great hipping away at American freedoms over the years but this one might be the greatest, You don't know what you got til its gone.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    So when a black conservative thinks like you, he is the best thing since slice bread.

    However, when a black conservative defends Obama, (Colin Powell) he is just doing it because he is black.

    Look I respect Dr. Carson because he is truly one of the great heroes in our community just like Collin Powell. However, that doesn't mean that I have to agree with his politics. Regardless of what ya'll believe, black people do have individual opinions.
    Listen, unfortunately for Powell he is no true conservative... no true conservative would let someone go to jail unjustly when he knew something and could have done something about it... I detest the man.

    Anybody who is honest and tells the truth is someone I can respect. I can respect Democrats who actually believe what they believe as long as they are reasonable, tell the truth and want the best for our country. One on that side of the aisle possibly cannot help it if one has grown up being instructed about patriotism, economics, the military, social problems incorrectly.... surely one, as an adult, has a responsibility to be critical even of one's own opinions, should regularly question our government to keep them on their toes and more honest, etc...

    But sure, conservatives are in the tradition of our founders/framers... which had to be perhaps the greatest cohort group to have ever existed. The ones who are wanting to experiment, that are more in the Marxist mode, well, I question their patriotism [ they usually let you know that you don't have to question it, they often pretty much revile the idea ], their reasoning powers and judgement.

    So, yes, just about any Conservative, makes absolutely no difference what race they may be, is better than the liberal. Black Conservatives get kicked hard by venomous liberals, though, especially by those coming from their own community. So I truly respect an upstanding and strong Black Conservative in the mold of Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, Clarence Thomas, and many others....
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    EXACTLY!!!!! And who's responsibility is it to pay for that treatment?

    If you have insurance, YOU are the one footing that bill to the tune of about $1000 per year.

    That's the price we pay to guarantee that we will be treated if we happen to need emergency care and don't have documentation. It's the price we're paying for the moochers without insurance. The people who expect care and don't want to pay the bills.

    You know.. what we really need is some sort of law that mandates that these moochers pay their fair share. And if they choose not to, then these free-loaders should pay a fine to cover some of the cost that they're passing on to us. I think something around $700 would be fair, and we'll make them pay it when they pay their taxes.

    Best conservative idea ever.
    LOL. What is it with you today, designated false choice day?

    Lots of people don't have health insurance, don't get sick and have no bill. Lots of people don't have health insurance and when they do get sick, they pay the bill.

    And your $700 example is silly. a) If the didn't need medical care, they would be "fined" for doing nothing. b) The taxpayers would still be stuck with the bill (major flaw with Obamadon'tcare) if they did require medical care. c) The $700 in no where near what people are required to pay (even if they didn't want insurance) as a result of Obamadon'tcare.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... I count four.... four failed uses of the word freedom for dramatic effect.
    Loss of freedom is dramatic. It's not failure to be against it.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Well, you are usually wrong, so that would stand to reason... sure not me that is ignoring all the reams of evidence that the guy he is defending is a racist.

    Maybe it would be better if I ask which flavor of kool-aide you prefer, if the word color is too closely associated with race or something...
    You call something evidence that isn't evidence. Nothing you presented is in any way evidence of racism. You must understand this. You can talk about race and not be racist. You can acknowledge feelings and not be racist. To see these things as racist is to have a skewed sense of the word.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    LOL. What is it with you today, designated false choice day?

    Lots of people don't have health insurance, don't get sick and have no bill. Lots of people don't have health insurance and when they do get sick, they pay the bill.

    And your $700 example is silly. a) If the didn't need medical care, they would be "fined" for doing nothing. b) The taxpayers would still be stuck with the bill (major flaw with Obamadon'tcare) if they did require medical care. c) The $700 in no where near what people are required to pay (even if they didn't want insurance) as a result of Obamadon'tcare.
    Yes and lots of people who don't have health insurance get sick, go to the ER, use the most expensive care possible, and rack up huge unpaid bills.

    The AVERAGE person without insurance costs the rest of us 1000$ per year. Those unpaid bills don't disappear because you can find a healthy person without insurance.

    As for the 700$, it's about the cost of the fine the ACA imposes if you choose not to buy insurance. It's not enough to cover the average cost of an uninsured individual, but it's a decent chunk of it.


    also.... I don't think false choice means what you think it means. But maybe you can explain how we can abide by the 1986 mandate to provide everyone with emergency care without anyone actually paying for it.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What is your basis for determining that I hold such double standards?



    Not true. I have no reason to suspect that Dr. Carlson's neurosurgery qualification are in suspicion. However, I haven't yet heard any reason to hold other thoughts of his in high regard. Neither what he's said (which seems to disregard all the deaths of the influenza epidemic, WWI, WWII, Viet Name, the Cold War, Mao's Revolution, and of course all the massacres by every dictator since then) nor any studies, publications or degrees of any kind on the topic of history.

    You need to be a little more discerning.
    here's one of your examples: "This is getting boring. Unless you can demonstrate that Dr. Carson has qualifications to speak on history as much as he's qualified to speak on neurosurgery then we're finished here. "

    What is your qualifications to say he is not? You don't know everything the man has studied. You offer no evidence to say he is wrong other than to say he is wrong. Often.
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