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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So do most people, but having the government do it instead you is not only abrogating your personal and social responsibilities, you are also allowing the government too much power. Health care in the foreseeable future will no longer be assured but will have to be meted out, largely through money or social status.
    but is'nt that the case now, except it is the insurance company's meting out insurance based on money or health status?

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wait, wait, wait...Stop right there. I want everyone to read this and just think for a second....
    Can you point out what's so funny? It's a hypothetical situation where one thing...the choice...is the same
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Say you're in an accident. You have health care, but you're unconscious and don't have any documentation on you. Would you like to be treated? How does the EMT know that you have insurance? Maybe they should check before doing any work?

    The only way to ensure that you'll be treated is to mandate that hospitals and EMTs treat EVERYONE, regardless of their ability to pay. That means that we're going to treat people who can't pay their bills. But someone has to pay, so everyone with insurance has to pay an extra $1000 to cover the people who aren't insured.

    By choosing to not have insurance, you are placing a burden on the rest of society. What is so godawfully wrong about taxing someone a portion of the average amount they will cost the rest of us, by not having insurance?
    when has it become someone's civic duty to pay the price for others bad decisions and life styles. when has it become my job to pay for the health cost of the fat asses with heart dieses and diabetes when has it become my responsibility to pay for the bad health of a smoker who has lung cancer. the alcoholic with a bad liver or the drug addict with hepatitis or the whore with aids
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    when has it become someone's civic duty to pay the price for others bad decisions and life styles. when has it become my job to pay for the health cost of the fat asses with heart dieses and diabetes when has it become my responsibility to pay for the bad health of a smoker who has lung cancer. the alcoholic with a bad liver or the drug addict with hepatitis or the whore with aids
    Since 1986, because of the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act signed by... oh no... dear god.. signed by Ronald Reagan.

    Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    but is'nt that the case now, except it is the insurance company's meting out insurance based on money or health status?
    Right. But you are exchanging one third party involvement with a fourth party involvement and a fifth if we include employers. People still don't understand it and it was passed along party lines with no one having read it. And even if they tried they couldn't get passed the begats.

    I think many forget how much people cared about the health of each other at one time, supporting the war effort through bonds, contributing to the March of Dimes, how everyone helped with polio victims, people sacrificing much of their lives to help others. Now we expect the government to act for us rather than our family and neighbors. Perhaps this lack of communication between people, with the government in the middle, is what is contributing to the deterioration of many neighborhoods, and relationships.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So do most people, but having the government do it instead you is not only abrogating your personal and social responsibilities, you are also allowing the government too much power. Health care in the foreseeable future will no longer be assured but will have to be meted out, largely through money or social status.
    Grant

    Maybe that is the difference between our thinking.

    I don't trust government a lot, but I trust corporation even less. They are in the business to make profits and the only way they can do that is to retain as much revenue as they possibly can. I know too many people who have to consistently fight these bastards to cover a treatment including myself. I have a co-worker who had to put off a surgery for three months because she couldn't afford the deductible she had to pay up front. she would walk around in pain and I felt so bad for her.

    The reason she waited is because her benefits would have kick in after 90 days. But what if she didn't have a job? what could she have done?

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Since 1986, because of the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act signed by... oh no... dear god.. signed by Ronald Reagan.

    Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    and that is for life threating emergency treatment
    read the dam act

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

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    Grant

    Maybe that is the difference between our thinking.

    I don't trust government a lot, but I trust corporation even less. They are in the business to make profits and the only way they can do that is to retain as much revenue as they possibly can. I know too many people who have to consistently fight these bastards to cover a treatment including myself. I have a co-worker who had to put off a surgery for three months because she couldn't afford the deductible she had to pay up front. she would walk around in pain and I felt so bad for her.

    The reason she waited is because her benefits would have kick in after 90 days. But what if she didn't have a job? what could she have done?
    you can always decide what cooperation you will or will not spend your money with. you don't have that choice with government

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Right. But you are exchanging one third party involvement with a fourth party involvement and a fifth if we include employers. People still don't understand it and it was passed along party lines with no one having read it. And even if they tried they couldn't get passed the begats.

    I think many forget how much people cared about the health of each other at one time, supporting the war effort through bonds, contributing to the March of Dimes, how everyone helped with polio victims, people sacrificing much of their lives to help others. Now we expect the government to act for us rather than our family and neighbors. Perhaps this lack of communication between people, with the government in the middle, is what is contributing to the deterioration of many neighborhoods, and relationships.

    Grant

    Base on population growth as well as healthcare cost, those days are done. If the government wasn't even involved, we would still be staring at overwhelming heathcare cost.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    you can always decide what cooperation you will or will not spend your money with. you don't have that choice with government
    Actually you do. If you look at the plans online, they are the same healthcare providers that we commonly use.

    Blue Cross
    Aetna
    Humana
    etc...

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