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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

Well, I didn't say that Cardinal played the race card in this instance, only that generally speaking that is the "go to" in addressing opposition to anything O does.

And comparing another entitlement to slavery is spot on IMHO. It is what the game book for liberal politics has done for over 50 years now. Welfare, SNAP, Community Orgs., now this....All designed to give away 'free stuff' in the hopes of locking down votes for democrats....

"The federal website that enrolls Americans in ObamaCare also asks applicants if they want to register to vote, raising questions about why the Obama administration would further complicate an already crash-prone website."

Crash-prone ObamaCare site also includes voter registration option | Fox News


This is classic Cloward/Piven from the jump.

So even if someone doesn't play the race card, you have to bring out your defense against it. That's weak.
 
So even if someone doesn't play the race card, you have to bring out your defense against it. That's weak.

Nah, you know what is 'weak'? Conflating someones post, and attacking them for posting it, instead of addressing the points made...I guess you got nothing. :shrug:
 
Nah, you know what is 'weak'? Conflating someones post, and attacking them for posting it, instead of addressing the points made...I guess you got nothing. :shrug:

Now you're just debating yourself again. You pulled the "race card" card just to do it.
 
Now you're just debating yourself again. You pulled the "race card" card just to do it.

No, that is your characterization...It's false...Go back and re read the post again....
 
Oh, but you did....Right here...

So by your logic every time you say that someone's argument on this forum is lacking you're attacking their freedom of speech. Brilliant.

Your opinion on whether or not his comment comparing O-care to slavery was dumb in your eyes is not the question, after all who cares what you think about it? Right? But you are making the point that because you think it was a dumb analogy, that "disqualifies" him from saying it all because you don't agree with it...

Neurosurgery aside, saying a health care program is worse than the forced, violent servitude of an entire race is, to use Donsutherland's words, historically illiterate. At that point if Dr. Carson were to claim that Ronald Reagan was president during the 80's I'd be immediately suspicious and double check that claim.
 
So by your logic every time you say that someone's argument on this forum is lacking you're attacking their freedom of speech. Brilliant.

You'd do better making an argument, rather than attacking me with straw men.

Neurosurgery aside, saying a health care program is worse than the forced, violent servitude of an entire race is, to use Donsutherland's words, historically illiterate. At that point if Dr. Carson were to claim that Ronald Reagan was president during the 80's I'd be immediately suspicious and double check that claim.

And again I say why should yours, or Donsutherland's opinion matter anymore than mine, or anyone elses? The fact that you say you'd be suspicious of Dr. Carson's claims is I think more rooted in your faithful unquestioning support of Obama policy, than it is rooted in anything of intellectual substance, largely because you can't even address anything I said in the post you started out replying to today...Until you do that, all I can say is

Who cares?
 
People like Dr. Carson, Colonel West, writer and economist Sowel, do not let me go down to racism.
I understand that the majority of black citizens of America, simply duped social and racial demagogues. But there is hope that one day they will understand.
 
People like Dr. Carson, Colonel West, writer and economist Sowel, do not let me go down to racism.
I understand that the majority of black citizens of America, simply duped social and racial demagogues. But there is hope that one day they will understand.

I don't even know what this means.
 
It seems your in the dark about a lot of things.

You're*

And I see you are falling into the "this guy disagrees with me; ergo, he must be uninformed" fallacy that so pervades the right on this forum.
 
You're*

And I see you are falling into the "this guy disagrees with me; ergo, he must be uninformed" fallacy that so pervades the right on this forum.

Quack! Quack!....Says the duck! :mrgreen:
 
I notice there isn't one thing in this response from you designed to coherently discuss what I said....And instead a really poor attempt in dismissing it without even reading it....Way to go.

If there was anything in your unhinged rant that was coherent or true, maybe it would be responded to in kind.
 
While pediatric neurosurgery may not be combustion engine engineering, I am pretty sure that the principle of how an engine works is not beyond the comprehension of a man of that intellect. But I think that Kobie, and now you are conflating the two, political opinion, and political science.

Nobody is claiming it's beyond their comprehension; however, it doesn't make them right.

I find it funny that people will claim Obama is a know-nothing despite having advanced higher-ed degrees and having been a practicing Constitutional lawyer for nearly two decades, but what Carson says is to be held as gospel because he is an accomplished professional in a field that is almost completely divorced from that on which he is opining.

The cognitive dissonance, it burns.
 
This is what makes his transgressions 10 times worse.

I was not aware a certain type of expertise made ones alleged transgressions "worse." Is a murderer worse if he was a butcher as his vocation?

I don't like Obama. I really don't. But so much of the things ascribed to him "trampling on the Constitution" go so much further than him. He didn't pass the NDAA by himself. He wasn't even in office when the Patriot Act was passed, which was the doorway to sending several parts of the Bill of Rights into the ****ter. Yet so many conservatives act as if we were a pure, Constitutionally sound nation until he took office.

Obama deserves some blame -- a good deal of it -- for what's been going on in this country lately. But he's hardly the only one, and I wish for once there was an intellectually honest conservative around here who would accept the blame the GOP deserves for it without disowning Bush & Co. as just a bunch of "not real conservatives."

(Not particularly going after you here, sKiTzo, you just got me on a rant.)
 
If there was anything in your unhinged rant that was coherent or true, maybe it would be responded to in kind.

I notice you didn't provide one thing from my "rant", that was untrue, or made up...Which tells me you got nothing.

Nobody is claiming it's beyond their comprehension; however, it doesn't make them right.

I find it funny that people will claim Obama is a know-nothing despite having advanced higher-ed degrees and having been a practicing Constitutional lawyer for nearly two decades, but what Carson says is to be held as gospel because he is an accomplished professional in a field that is almost completely divorced from that on which he is opining.

The cognitive dissonance, it burns.

Right or wrong is not at issue here. You disagree with his opinion, because you are an Obama supporter. But as many Obama supporters do, they go over the top to attack anyone who disagrees with, or speaks out against Obama, especially if they themselves are black. And if there is anything that highlights the problems with racism that this country goes through even today, it is that type of viscous attack that a black conservative will receive for speaking out as a conservative, and off the plantation.

As for Obama's "Constitutional Lawyer" narrative you are attempting here, you can't point to any cases he has argued in the recent times before being elected, nor can you point to anything other than being a part time lecturer with his radical buddies like Ayres. No, he wasn't some accomplished attorney that had ever, or IMHO, could ever argue with success in front of the SCOTUS, rather a two bit community organizer that wormed his radical progressive ass into politics, and duped a country into forfeiting their freedom....And that sir, is the lie of the progressive.

So go on and be upset, be mad, even in your progressive disdain lash out, but don't for one second think that your games of semantics, or weak assed Alenski attacks mean a damned thing, we see through you.
 
I was not aware a certain type of expertise made ones alleged transgressions "worse." Is a murderer worse if he was a butcher as his vocation?

I don't like Obama. I really don't. But so much of the things ascribed to him "trampling on the Constitution" go so much further than him. He didn't pass the NDAA by himself. He wasn't even in office when the Patriot Act was passed, which was the doorway to sending several parts of the Bill of Rights into the ****ter. Yet so many conservatives act as if we were a pure, Constitutionally sound nation until he took office.

Obama deserves some blame -- a good deal of it -- for what's been going on in this country lately. But he's hardly the only one, and I wish for once there was an intellectually honest conservative around here who would accept the blame the GOP deserves for it without disowning Bush & Co. as just a bunch of "not real conservatives."

(Not particularly going after you here, sKiTzo, you just got me on a rant.)

Oh yeah...:roll: If only there were progressive Republicans.....:lamo Good grief....The problem with the Republican party is NOT that they aren't liberal enough...If anything it is because they have so often given in to the narrative that we must be more like progressive demo's to win...It was always a trap for Republicans....Hell, you have more than you need of Republican saboteurs within the ranks....Graham, McCain, etc...The "old guard" that thinks that by agreeing with progressive liberals, as they plunge the knife in won't kill them....It's a fools errand.

"Now is not the time for pale pastels, Now is the time for bold colors!..." - Ronald Reagan
 
No, that is your characterization...It's false...Go back and re read the post again....

I've read it many times. Not once did Cardinal mention race, yet your response was "spare us from the race card."

Then you attack people for strawmen. Note for your edification: "strawman" argument does not mean "I disagree with it."
 
I've read it many times. Not once did Cardinal mention race, yet your response was "spare us from the race card."

Then you attack people for strawmen. Note for your edification: "strawman" argument does not mean "I disagree with it."

Again you are only hearing, or reading what you want to be true, so that is a problem that rests with you not me.
 
And what doctors office turns them away? None that I know of...If you don't have insurance, you just pay the office visit fee, (probably discounted for cash) and viola! Access granted.

J, you have to pay at doctors offices. I'm sorry, but people are not walking of the street and getting care they can't afford at doctors offices.
 
J, you have to pay at doctors offices. I'm sorry, but people are not walking of the street and getting care they can't afford at doctors offices.

Really? Because the "emergent care" places like say "Doctor's care" that charge you flat fees for a range of services are doing a rather good business.
 
Really? Because the "emergent care" places like say "Doctor's care" that charge you flat fees for a range of services are doing a rather good business.

Which means nothing at all to what we're talking about.
 
Which means nothing at all to what we're talking about.

Really? Cuz, you said this


"J, you have to pay at doctors offices. I'm sorry, but people are not walking of the street and getting care they can't afford at doctors offices."

And I answered you...People do walk in off the street, and do get care.....:shrug:
 
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