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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    What is an American core belief system?
    Individualism working within a framework of community-- self-reliance, perseverance, self discipline, responsibility for oneself and one's family, belief in family, a hard work ethic, striving, learning/gaining skills in an effort to constantly improve, belief in truth, honesty and frankness along with humility, of being friendly in nature, a certain fearlessness in the face of odds, solidity in and of moral compass, the spirit of innovation/ingenuity, representative democracy/majority rules and minority rights, belief in Constitutional /founding principles, including that of limited government, three branches, checks and balances, Federalism with those powers not explicitly expressed to revert to the states and to the people, that ultimately the people are sovereign, the true masters with government as our faithful servant, Capitalism with necessary but minimal restraints, strength of mind, body and spirit... and of national defense, devotion to country and fellow Americans, a belief in our unique position in the world and in history, a natural sense of fairness/justice, working to give the future, our posterity, at least what we were given.

    I am sure I may have left some things out, but I think that hits much of our core...
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    ^ This is why people from around the world think Americans are blisteringly arrogant. Hell, I'm an American, and I wouldn't trade places with anyone else in the world. I'm thrilled I hit the genetic powerball and was born here. But Jesus Harold Christ on a unicycle, this summary of "American Exceptionalism" is just painfully self-righteous.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Black helicopters and grassy knolls. Obamacare is Romneycare for the states that don't already have Romneycare. Big whoop.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    The point is, why do you need a license from the government to cut someone's hair? Does having that license demonstrate you are a better barber or hairstylist?

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    ^ This is why people from around the world think Americans are blisteringly arrogant. Hell, I'm an American, and I wouldn't trade places with anyone else in the world. I'm thrilled I hit the genetic powerball and was born here. But Jesus Harold Christ on a unicycle, this summary of "American Exceptionalism" is just painfully self-righteous.
    Who really cares what people around the world think? But if they are thinking at all it's that they want to emigrate to America.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Wrong.

    Did you ever try to go without auto insurance?
    Do really believe that is an equivalent? Or are you just using convenient talking points? Tell the truth now...

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. Posit a ridiculous strawman.
    2. Wait for inevitable burning of said strawman.
    3. Wank about "leftist emotionalism."
    4. ???
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    But you dismissed his opinion, crediting policy ignorance. He is a Dr. informed about medical billing and how laws affect a Dr.'s ability to do his job and produce income. His position that at least part of a dr.'s labor is being co-opted is indisputable fact, although not necessarily a unique station in life. Other than that I was just having a bit of fun getting you riled up.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Dr Carson may be a decent Doctor, but he will never be President of the USA.
    They said that about Barrack Obama as well but with his election the bar has been lowered to such an extent that anyone, no matter how unlikely, can become President. Qualifications no longer matter. It is more about celebrity, and actual celebrities know this. Lady Gaga could be the next president now.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Again, you're being ignorant here.

    Low-income individuals WHO WORK but can't quite afford health insurance on their own would be the ones who'd be applying for health care credits. These people are NOT the same as those who would be applying for Medicaid. But it seems that people who share your thinking on the matter are purposely tying ALL low-income wage earners into the same bunch. They are different: lower-middle-class wage earners -vs- those who qualify as poor. BIG difference. In this day and age you can work and still meet federal poverty level guidelines. I see it every day! But that doesn't necessarily make your poor. It just means you're in that gray area - not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid, not wealthy enough to be able to afford health insurance on your own.

    I'm in no way discussing issues of the poor nor the unemployed. But those of you who are adamantly opposed to the health care law work extremely hard to clump everyone in the same group...too hard, IMO.
    This may not be a direct answer to your point, but you inadvertently hit upon something here, we do try to clump everyone in the same group. Equal protection under the law compels this. However, the basic point is this. No labor is free. Someone pays for the service given to every patient. If not the recipient, it is either the Dr. who provides his labor and expertise without cost or the taxpayer who subsidizes the insurance policy; or a combination of both. In the end someone's labor is being usurped.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    This may not be a direct answer to your point, but you inadvertently hit upon something here, we do try to clump everyone in the same group. Equal protection under the law compels this. However, the basic point is this. No labor is free. Someone pays for the service given to every patient. If not the recipient, it is either the Dr. who provides his labor and expertise without cost or the taxpayer who subsidizes the insurance policy; or a combination of both. In the end someone's labor is being usurped.
    Isn't this the case with literally every public service?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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