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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If I can't do any kind of repair, improvement, construction, modification or demolition work on a house or property without a permit then exactly how do I control my property?
    You don't. This much is obvious by the fact if you don't pay property taxes you lose your house. Now, care to answer the question of how the GOP is going to alleviate all of this when they have gone along with it for over 50 years?

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If I can't do any kind of repair, improvement, construction, modification or demolition work on my house or property without a permit then exactly how do I control it? Don't you think it's odd that I'm the property owner and yet I need permission by the state to do most things on my property?
    you don't exactly have the ability to control everything on your property. who owns the maintains the pipes that supply your property with running water? who does the matinence on said pipes?

    who owns and maintains the power lines connected to your house?

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You don't. This much is obvious by the fact if you don't pay property taxes you lose your house. Now, care to answer the question of how the GOP is going to alleviate all of this when they have gone along with it for over 50 years?
    I'm aware property taxes basically eliminates all private land ownership in the US. I'm sure Boo still thinks he owns his house and land, so lets just run on the assumption that he is correct for the sake of argument, ok?

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Perhaps, though no such rule has ever effected my life. But because people put pressure that threatens re-election, that's why we see it. Politicians behave like we gave a direct democracy today, and not representatives. The same people who want elected officials to dig their heels in ground, don't seem to see how that leads to regulations. Politicians respond to both.
    Well, what we have here is a flaw with representative democracy when we reward our so called "servants" with full time pay (and other amenities) and an incentive to do just about what ever it takes to get re-eelcted to keep receiving this full time pay. When you look back at our roots our representatives were part-time. Maybe we should seek to resume such a state to prevent the obvious corruption that we are seeing. Our founding roots had representatives, but our current climate breeds politicians.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If I can't do any kind of repair, improvement, construction, modification or demolition work on my house or property without a permit then exactly how do I control it? Don't you think it's odd that I'm the property owner and yet I need permission by the state to do most things on my property?
    What you do may well effect other. Something of yours collapses, it may fall out of your yard into mine. Doesn't meet fire code, and it spread too my house. And this is nit to mention gated communities that demand much, much more (with their own added set of rules).

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm aware property taxes basically eliminates all private land ownership in the US. I'm sure Boo still thinks he owns his house and land, so lets just run on the assumption that he is correct for the sake of argument, ok?
    I guess my point is you have some sort of beef with the reality of the situation of the government being overreaching. Now can you show me how the duoploy of the Dem/Rep so called "representatives" are working to correct this? I guess the question I'm asking is do you vote Republican?

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well, what we have here is a flaw with representative democracy when we reward our so called "servants" with full time pay (and other amenities) and an incentive to do just about what ever it takes to get re-eelcted to keep receiving this full time pay. When you look back at our roots our representatives were part-time. Maybe we should seek to resume such a state to prevent the obvious corruption that we are seeing. Our founding roots had representatives, but our current climate breeds politicians.
    That may be true. And would love to see such an idea advanced. But I doubt it will be anytime soon.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What you do may well effect other. Something of yours collapses, it may fall out of your yard into mine. Doesn't meet fire code, and it spread too my house. And this is nit to mention gated communities that demand much, much more (with their own added set of rules).
    Boo, if I breathe and then exhale I'm technically affecting others. If I fart, I could very well cause a person to change their original position of transit walking, and then they could walk into a bus. I could actually see in today's law where a case could be made that I caused that person's death. There are many idiotic cases like this where someone so called "affects" another person negatively. I think the lines are getting drawn more and more against freedom and people actually taking personal responsibility to the point of absurdity. Some of the codes are meant to prevent ANY case from happening when in fact it needs to just be made that the person responsible need to be held responsible.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That may be true. And would love to see such an idea advanced. But I doubt it will be anytime soon.
    The problem is the people that vote for the duopoly system. The flaw in logic is that if someone were to vote outside that, than the other side could win. It's the people that vote for Dem and Rep that ruining this country IMO. Time and time again I hear from people, "Well I voted for the best of two evils". Really, is that the type of system YOU want?

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Boo, if I breathe and then exhale I'm technically affecting others. If I fart, I could very well cause a person to change their original position of transit walking, and then they could walk into a bus. I could actually see in today's law where a case could be made that I caused that person's death. There are many idiotic cases like this where someone so called "affects" another person negatively. I think the lines are getting drawn more and more against freedom and people actually taking personal responsibility to the point of absurdity. Some of the codes are meant to prevent ANY case from happening when in fact it needs to just be made that the person responsible need to be held responsible.
    That's true to a degree. But some risks are more acceptable than others, which is why there are usually more rules where neighbors lite closer to each other than when they live further. I tend to live out in the boonies. No bothers.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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