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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

Equivilating Obamacare to Slavery is the pinnacle of ignorance and dishonours the memory of those who suffered under slavery in American history and suffer from Modern Slavery today.

What I absolutely love here, is how many conservatives skewers Blacks for bringing up Slavery today when it comes to issues with the black community and in regards to any kind of reparations...

But magically it's allowed to be brought up in this context.

And as my esteemed colleague pointed out, to ignore other significant events that caused massive suffering to Americans, such as WW1, WW2, Vietnam etc. is also an insult to the lives that were lost and affected by those events.

I have no problem with reparations, just bring me an actual owned slave from the 1800's and they are deserving of such.

As for slavery v. taxation it is absolutely a valid point regardless of your dislike of it.
 
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meaning you can't support your case. The burden of proof is yours. And I've already shown both your reasoning and facts are flawed. :coffeepap
I think this is just one more of those liberal instances of a mismatched working partnership.... seems your mind is constantly taking vacation, and your poor mouth is always stuck working overtime.

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If I didn't get the point, then why would I have pulled the attribution? Gheeze! :roll:



When policies seem socialistic to me, I will call them that....As for "a lot"? I don't think so...I call things what they are. Progressive.



Oh, but I am...I am just not calling them what you wish I would so you're upset with that....I can't help you there.

If you got the point, why'd you keep arguing about it?

That you see it skewed is the point. Propaganda works. If it didn't, we never talk about it. What saddens me is that we lack the imagination to invent new bull ****.
 
What is being discussed here are not acts of god, natural disasters, world wide catastrophic events or attacks on Americans by anti-Americans from the outside...we are talking about Americans doing something bad to fellow Americans.

I would say that the Japanese-American internment by another Imperial styled Democrat president might be, indeed, competitive with Obamadon'tcare... except that this debacle was in time of war and it was not targeting all Americans...besides which it was not set to last forever, it was over in about two years.

Holy **** he thinks a health insurance mandate is on par with literal imprisonment of innocent people based on their ethnicity alone.

I don't know how to talk to someone like this.
 
Equivilating Obamacare to Slavery is the pinnacle of ignorance and dishonours the memory of those who suffered under slavery in American history and suffer from Modern Slavery today.

What I absolutely love here, is how many conservatives skewers Blacks for bringing up Slavery today when it comes to issues with the black community and in regards to any kind of reparations...

But magically it's allowed to be brought up in this context.

And as my esteemed colleague pointed out, to ignore other significant events that caused massive suffering to Americans, such as WW1, WW2, Vietnam etc. is also an insult to the lives that were lost and affected by those events.

You have a big, big problem with the definition of the word slave especially in the context that Dr Carson brought it up. And Dr Carson didn't place race, gender or sexual orientation limits on his comparison so no magic was used. Perhaps that's why you and others are so upset with what he said.

Nobody has ignored the suffering and efforts of Americans involved in wars. Now Obama went way out of his way to insult and make things difficult for veterans of those engagements but we know you and those like you will make any excuse for him on all issues.
 
I have no problem with reparations, just bring me an actual owned slave from the 1800's and they are deserving of such.

As for slavery v. taxation it is absolutely a valid point regardless of your dislike of it.

How soon do you a people recover from that condition? When freed, were slaves instantly educated and on equal footing with their masters? Did whites all at once treat them as equals? I'm not saying I'm for reparations, but I think it is a bit condescending to assume that there was nothing after slavery that counted as harm. The sixties were not that long ago.
 
Holy **** he thinks a health insurance mandate is on par with literal imprisonment of innocent people based on their ethnicity alone.

I don't know how to talk to someone like this.
Slaves were not allowed, by law, to learn to read and write... is there some law out there somewhere where liberals have not been allowed, by law or something, to learn reading comprehension? Dr. Carson did not ever say Obamadon'tcare was on par with, he said it was the worst thing to happen since slavery [ I have already explained since, having to do with time, as opposed to your usage of the word with, which is a function word to indicate objects of comparison, to equate ... since and with not going towards the same result, at all ].

So, one might agree with the first part of your statement ["I don't know how to talk..."] perhaps since you do not seem to understand how to properly interpret the significance of what is being said.
 
How soon do you a people recover from that condition? When freed, were slaves instantly educated and on equal footing with their masters? Did whites all at once treat them as equals? I'm not saying I'm for reparations, but I think it is a bit condescending to assume that there was nothing after slavery that counted as harm. The sixties were not that long ago.
If you know your American history you will understand this was a common occurrence among almost all identifiable groups here in the US, where it took time to gain the respect of the other groups. You can see it with the Germans and Irish after they arrived on scene, a lot of that having to do with a distrust of all things Catholic at the time, later eastern and southern Europeans, the Chinese and Japanese, those of Hispanic heritage... so this unequal footing is something suffered throughout US, probably common to world, history...just to a lesser, often less violent, extent in this country.

Public education was, indeed, a goal of the Republicans at the end of the Civil War...the Freedman's Bureau was set up to give assistance in the way of food, clothing, medical assistance and also to begin educating, setting up schools in the South for all. So there was an effort by the Republican authorities along with the black community to push education that had been limited by the Democrat power structures in the South before and during the war, and then more and more after the war.

Just so you will have some understanding, maybe you might read this PBS American Experience segment... PBS gernerally, certainly, being a source considered trustworthy on your side.

American Experience | Reconstruction: The Second Civil War | Access to Learning | PBS
 
Good man.

You kind of took the wind out of my sales, though. I was all set to unleash my own quotes:

"Utterly crucial to the well being of the state is a well-cowed populace, fearful in mind and lacking all avenue to a publicly funded health care system."

-Adolph Hitler.

"If there is but one threat to power and stability it is a healthful people who can turn outward from their own meager plight and demand better. Such it is that a patient protection and affordable care act can never be allowed to pass."

-Pol Pot

"Conservatism is awesome."

-Satan, Lord of Darkness and the Fallen One.
Just wondering...on the bolded quote and attribution to AH... can you cite a source on that? I mean, if we are calling out possible false, too good to be true or incorrect attributions...

Secondly, was this statement that you have attributed to Hitler made as an attack of the then current power structure by AH and for which he wanted to replace it with his own national socialist policy which included publicly funded health care... which I believe would be more the case... or, was it rather that he and the national socialists did not want this in an effort to keep the populace weak so he could manipulate and overpower them... which is, I doubt the case... you see, Hitler was a socialist which is more along the lines of the modern progressive, not the conservative, in his thinking.

Oh, btw, the proper word usage would not be sales, but instead sails, as in take the wind out of your sails, a sailboat metaphor... just saying...
 
If you know your American history you will understand this was a common occurrence among almost all identifiable groups here in the US, where it took time to gain the respect of the other groups. You can see it with the Germans and Irish after they arrived on scene, a lot of that having to do with a distrust of all things Catholic at the time, later eastern and southern Europeans, the Chinese and Japanese, those of Hispanic heritage... so this unequal footing is something suffered throughout US, probably common to world, history...just to a lesser, often less violent, extent in this country.

Public education was, indeed, a goal of the Republicans at the end of the Civil War...the Freedman's Bureau was set up to give assistance in the way of food, clothing, medical assistance and also to begin educating, setting up schools in the South for all. So there was an effort by the Republican authorities along with the black community to push education that had been limited by the Democrat power structures in the South before and during the war, and then more and more after the war.

Just so you will have some understanding, maybe you might read this PBS American Experience segment... PBS gernerally, certainly, being a source considered trustworthy on your side.

American Experience | Reconstruction: The Second Civil War | Access to Learning | PBS

A goal? Yes, I remember well separate but unequal. So, I'm not sure what point you think you're making. If you read your source you should be able yo see it doesn't dispute me.
 
Just wondering...on the bolded quote and attribution to AH... can you cite a source on that? I mean, if we are calling out possible false, too good to be true or incorrect attributions...

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So you accept then the quote attributed to Satan, as well as Pol Pot stating that there should not be a patient protection and affordable care act?
 
A goal? Yes, I remember well separate but unequal. So, I'm not sure what point you think you're making. If you read your source you should be able yo see it doesn't dispute me.
Once again, that was your boys on your side of the War that did all that crap...separate but equal, Black Codes, Jim Crow, New Deal, Great Society, Obamadon'tcare...


But...

Yeah, I know, I know...waste of time trying to make a liberal see the sense of something, anything really.

No amount of evidence, logic, or proof will ever convince... you all are lost among your own lies, I am quite sure its comforting, makes you feel awful good seeing the massive and small mistruths stacked so high, manufacturing new ones so they may never run out, the perpetual liberal machine...sure wish it had some good use.

I surely do.
 
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So you accept then the quote attributed to Satan, as well as Pol Pot stating that there should not be a patient protection and affordable care act?
Whoa, I say whoa there, boy....Not to worry, I have problems with those as well, one at a time though, that is sufficient for me...

And so, source for the Adolph Hitler quote...?? and won't call a Godwin on ya... that is just something that a liberal uses to try to wriggle out of things...
 
Once again, that was your boys on your side of the War that did all that crap...separate but equal, Black Codes, Jim Crow, New Deal, Great Society, Obamadon'tcare...


But...

Yeah, I know, I know...waste of time trying to make a liberal see the sense of something, anything really.

No amount of evidence, logic, or proof will ever convince... you all are lost among your own lies, I am quite sure its comforting, makes you feel awful good seeing the massive and small mistruths stacked so high, manufacturing new ones so they may never run out, the perpetual liberal machine...sure wish it had some good use.

I surely do.

I made no comment about anyone's side, so you're not addressing my point at all. To be clear, I don't really have a side. I don't claim one party is better than another. But you are merely trying to avoid what was said by going off on a meaningless tangent. Re-read what you originally responded to. Try to address the point.
 
Whoa, I say whoa there, boy....Not to worry, I have problems with those as well, one at a time though, that is sufficient for me...

And so, source for the Adolph Hitler quote...?? and won't call a Godwin on ya... that is just something that a liberal uses to try to wriggle out of things...

You need to read the exchange between me and J-Mac a little bit more carefully.
 
How soon do you a people recover from that condition? When freed, were slaves instantly educated and on equal footing with their masters? Did whites all at once treat them as equals? I'm not saying I'm for reparations, but I think it is a bit condescending to assume that there was nothing after slavery that counted as harm. The sixties were not that long ago.

Oh, come on...blacks don't have a monopoly on poor treatment in the day. As if some monetary settlement not based on anything other than skin color, and liberal white guilt is silly, and you know it.
 
Oh, come on...blacks don't have a monopoly on poor treatment in the day. As if some monetary settlement not based on anything other than skin color, and liberal white guilt is silly, and you know it.

Monopoly? No. But they were the only group enslaved. Do you nothing else to address it what I said?
 
These comments weren't directed at me, but I have to ask, are you serious? It's so hard to tell. First of all, in regard to "forcing citizens" through the ACA: Americans elected Obama and their representatives when health care reform was a huge issue. In fact, many of Obama's supporters wanted far more complete health care reform including a public option. Obamacare doesn't force Americans to do anything except get coverage, in some cases get different coverage, or pay a fine. This went through the supreme court. Do you know who would disagree with you on this issue? The relatives I had who went to concentration camps. The immigrants I've met who lived under Stalin's rule. People who endured real pain, real bondage. They would regard your opinion as the ramblings of an extremist who doesn't know anything about true hardship and suffering. I would have to agree with them. If you respect the people who endured torture, stop making a $100 fine for not getting health care sound like being forcibly starved and beaten until you are so desperate you eat your own feces.

This is just a law. The American people supported their Democratic representatives, the President and congress passed the bill, the supreme court upheld it. If you disagree with it, get involved and talk about what's in it that you disagree with. Support your Republicans. Get them elected. Get the law changed by winning the next election. But you should stop insulting people who endured true suffering, because many of them are here, and many of them support Obamacare.

Bottom line: They disregarded the constitution. The men who wrote the constitution knew what they were doing. They made it so that as long as we never violated the constitution, there could never exist tyranny. In school, I was taught that the constitution was NON-NEGOTIABLE. Oathes are sworn by people taking office (including the president).......why?? Isn't it felony perjury? Shouldn't these traitors be jailed?
 
Bottom line: They disregarded the constitution. The men who wrote the constitution knew what they were doing. They made it so that as long as we never violated the constitution, there could never exist tyranny. In school, I was taught that the constitution was NON-NEGOTIABLE. Oathes are sworn by people taking office (including the president).......why?? Isn't it felony perjury? Shouldn't these traitors be jailed?

That's hyperbolic. A wildly mindless exaggeration of what is going on.
 
Bottom line: They disregarded the constitution. The men who wrote the constitution knew what they were doing. They made it so that as long as we never violated the constitution, there could never exist tyranny. In school, I was taught that the constitution was NON-NEGOTIABLE. Oathes are sworn by people taking office (including the president).......why?? Isn't it felony perjury? Shouldn't these traitors be jailed?

Who disregarded the constitution? What are you talking about? The supreme court ruled that Obamacare doesn't violate the constitution. On the other hand, there was more than one supreme court ruling against the Bush administration finding a policy unconstitutional. Does that mean Bush should have been arrested for perjury? Well, I'll answer that for you. He shouldn't have. The Executive branch is kept in check by the Judicial branch. The Judicial branch interprets law, the Executive branch enacts law. If every law and every policy were black and white, constitutional or unconstitutional, we wouldn't need a judicial branch.

By your logic, when Roe V. Wade changed abortion policy, every president prior to the ruling should have been retroactively imprisoned for perjury. Roe V. Wade found the prohibition of abortion to be unconstitutional, right? So every president who enforced its prohibition was guilty of treason and should have been sent to the gallows.
 
:screwy Okay, if you say so...

It is so. Factually. As noted above, the SCOTUS already ruled it was not unconstitutional. At some point you have to admit you're just plain wrong.
 
It is so. Factually. As noted above, the SCOTUS already ruled it was not unconstitutional. At some point you have to admit you're just plain wrong.

Yeah, an unprecedented ruling. That means they rule something not unconstitutional that had previously been unconstitutional.
 
Yeah, an unprecedented ruling. That means they rule something not unconstitutional that had previously been unconstitutional.

Dance anyway you want. The fact is they the court ruled. So, no hyperbole please.
 
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