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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

Mithros said:
EXACTLY!!!!! And who's responsibility is it to pay for that treatment?

If you have insurance, YOU are the one footing that bill to the tune of about $1000 per year.

That's the price we pay to guarantee that we will be treated if we happen to need emergency care and don't have documentation. It's the price we're paying for the moochers without insurance. The people who expect care and don't want to pay the bills.

You know.. what we really need is some sort of law that mandates that these moochers pay their fair share. And if they choose not to, then these free-loaders should pay a fine to cover some of the cost that they're passing on to us. I think something around $700 would be fair, and we'll make them pay it when they pay their taxes.

Best conservative idea ever.
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LOL. What is it with you today, designated false choice day?

Lots of people don't have health insurance, don't get sick and have no bill. Lots of people don't have health insurance and when they do get sick, they pay the bill.

And your $700 example is silly. a) If the didn't need medical care, they would be "fined" for doing nothing. b) The taxpayers would still be stuck with the bill (major flaw with Obamadon'tcare) if they did require medical care. c) The $700 in no where near what people are required to pay (even if they didn't want insurance) as a result of Obamadon'tcare.
 
Hatuey said:
... I count four.... four failed uses of the word freedom for dramatic effect.
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Loss of freedom is dramatic. It's not failure to be against it.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Well, you are usually wrong, so that would stand to reason... sure not me that is ignoring all the reams of evidence that the guy he is defending is a racist.

Maybe it would be better if I ask which flavor of kool-aide you prefer, if the word color is too closely associated with race or something...
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You call something evidence that isn't evidence. Nothing you presented is in any way evidence of racism. You must understand this. You can talk about race and not be racist. You can acknowledge feelings and not be racist. To see these things as racist is to have a skewed sense of the word.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
LOL. What is it with you today, designated false choice day?

Lots of people don't have health insurance, don't get sick and have no bill. Lots of people don't have health insurance and when they do get sick, they pay the bill.

And your $700 example is silly. a) If the didn't need medical care, they would be "fined" for doing nothing. b) The taxpayers would still be stuck with the bill (major flaw with Obamadon'tcare) if they did require medical care. c) The $700 in no where near what people are required to pay (even if they didn't want insurance) as a result of Obamadon'tcare.
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Yes and lots of people who don't have health insurance get sick, go to the ER, use the most expensive care possible, and rack up huge unpaid bills.

The AVERAGE person without insurance costs the rest of us 1000$ per year. Those unpaid bills don't disappear because you can find a healthy person without insurance.

As for the 700$, it's about the cost of the fine the ACA imposes if you choose not to buy insurance. It's not enough to cover the average cost of an uninsured individual, but it's a decent chunk of it.


also.... I don't think false choice means what you think it means. But maybe you can explain how we can abide by the 1986 mandate to provide everyone with emergency care without anyone actually paying for it.
 
Cardinal said:
What is your basis for determining that I hold such double standards?



Not true. I have no reason to suspect that Dr. Carlson's neurosurgery qualification are in suspicion. However, I haven't yet heard any reason to hold other thoughts of his in high regard. Neither what he's said (which seems to disregard all the deaths of the influenza epidemic, WWI, WWII, Viet Name, the Cold War, Mao's Revolution, and of course all the massacres by every dictator since then) nor any studies, publications or degrees of any kind on the topic of history.

You need to be a little more discerning.
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here's one of your examples: "This is getting boring. Unless you can demonstrate that Dr. Carson has qualifications to speak on history as much as he's qualified to speak on neurosurgery then we're finished here. "

What is your qualifications to say he is not? You don't know everything the man has studied. You offer no evidence to say he is wrong other than to say he is wrong. Often.
 
Deuce said:
Can you explain how a $700 fine is equivalent to a lifetime of forced servitude? I am keen on learning.
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Try real hard to educate yourself on the definition of "slave". It's obvious you lack an understanding of the word.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
here's one of your examples: "This is getting boring. Unless you can demonstrate that Dr. Carson has qualifications to speak on history as much as he's qualified to speak on neurosurgery then we're finished here. "

What is your qualifications to say he is not? You don't know everything the man has studied. You offer no evidence to say he is wrong other than to say he is wrong. Often.
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1) He does not appear to have any degrees that makes his opinion in higher regard than anyone else's.
2) This is demonstrated by his facile and ignorant views.

As neither Dr. Carson nor I hold any history degrees we seem to be more or less evenly matched in the academic area, and I appear to be at least marginally more qualified in that I can name multiple tragedies since slavery that far outweigh any negative outcomes of ACA.
 
Boo Radley said:
You call something evidence that isn't evidence. Nothing you presented is in any way evidence of racism. You must understand this. You can talk about race and not be racist. You can acknowledge feelings and not be racist. To see these things as racist is to have a skewed sense of the word.
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Oh please, your side uses this word as a blunt tool all the time with little to NO evidence. We are not talking about talking about race, we are not talking about acknowledging feelings, we are talking about someone who has a very distinct dislike of a certain race, instantly jumps to conclusions in the cases noted if that race is involved... and goes the exact other way if an African American is involved.

That is not right, not in this day and age, and is not a person that should have ever been given the responsibility of representing this country and ALL OF ITS PEOPLE to the rest of the world.

Its embarrassing.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Oh please, your side uses this word as a blunt tool all the time with little to NO evidence. We are not talking about talking about race, we are not talking about acknowledging feelings, we are talking about someone who has a very distinct dislike of a certain race, instantly jumps to conclusions in the cases noted if that race is involved... and goes the exact other way if an African American is involved.

That is not right, not in this day and age, and is not a person that should have ever been given the responsibility of representing this country and ALL OF ITS PEOPLE to the rest of the world.

Its embarrassing.
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Yes, there are people of every stripe who use poor reasoning skills. I'm not sure that excuses you for using them.

And no where has President Obama shown a dislike for any particular race. In fact, you and some in this thread are doing far more leaping to wild conclusions than the President ever has. And yes, your leaping is embarrassing, so stop it for your own sake. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes, there are people of every stripe who use poor reasoning skills. I'm not sure that excuses you for using them.

And no where has President Obama shown a dislike for any particular race. In fact, you and some in this thread are doing far more leaping to wild conclusions than the President ever has. And yes, your leaping is embarrassing, so stop it for your own sake. ;)
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Man, you talk about embarrassing... not one shred of real evidence in defense, proof isn't proof just 'cause you said its so...wow...now, my dad might've gotten away with that when I was a kid, 'cause, you know, he was kinda my boss and all...

But you? You spouting such feebly stupid positions fully expecting that rational people accept that? I mean, knowing you have no shame for such silliness, I am embarrassed for you.

Would suggest putting some time in on honing your reasoning skills, if you can find such, even more time on supporting your views with evidence. If you started doing that you might just find yourself changing stances as you grasp at wisps of nothing, like you did in this case, in your efforts to defend silliness.

Just saying...

 
Slavery is the new Holocaust for Conservatives. Everything is slavery. Water cooler is broken? Slavery. Got diarrhea? Slavery. Not enough coins for the laundromat? Slavery.
 
Deuce said:
I asked for clarification. You dodged the question instead of choosing to clarify your position.
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And talk about dodging the question! Most of this thread is people on the left attacking the good doctor rather than debating his thoughts on Obamacare. It is pretty comical, trying to convince us how he is "not qualified" to argue against Obamacare or talk about slavery. Like it is a really high bar, unattainable by Dr. Carson.

But, non brain surgeons like Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are qualified to dump this crap on us. "You have to pass it to find out what's in it!" Could be to dumbest thing ever said by a short lived Speaker of the House. God, do you liberals ever listen to yourselves???
 
Hatuey said:
Slavery is the new Holocaust for Conservatives. Everything is slavery. Water cooler is broken? Slavery. Got diarrhea? Slavery. Not enough coins for the laundromat? Slavery.
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Sounds like liberals crying for more welfare programs to me.

Broken water cooler? Government.
Got diarrhea? Government.
Not enough coins for the laundromat? Government.
 
Henrin said:
Sounds like liberals crying for more welfare programs to me.
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Awww, well - it's too bad nobody listens to Libertarians on the matter.

Broken water cooler? It'll fix itself.
Got diarrhea? It'll fix itself.
Not enough coins for the laundromat? It'll fix itself.

That's why I guess Libertarians are considered persona non grata in the political world. They think things magically fix themselves. :shrug: Now be a good Libertarian and write freedom, post a quote by Jefferson and then a rant about how you hate fascists. That will show us.
 
Anthony60 said:
And talk about dodging the question! Most of this thread is people on the left attacking the good doctor rather than debating his thoughts on Obamacare. It is pretty comical, trying to convince us how he is "not qualified" to argue against Obamacare or talk about slavery. Like it is a really high bar, unattainable by Dr. Carson.
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We've been over his thoughts on Obamacare. Even mentioning it in the same breath as the word "slavery" is moronic.

Anthony60 said:
But, non brain surgeons like Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are qualified to dump this crap on us. "You have to pass it to find out what's in it!" Could be to dumbest thing ever said by a short lived Speaker of the House. God, do you liberals ever listen to yourselves???
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It certainly sounds pretty dumb when you take what Pelosi said completely out of context ... like you just did.
 
Cardinal said:
To use Don Sutherland's term, Dr. Carson is "historically illiterate," which he also explained suitably. Dr. Carson's lack of degree in history or any sociological arena combined with his hysterical hyperbole supports this. Dr. Carson's facile point of view and utter lack of insight in history despite his background in neurosurgery is akin to Michael Jordan's demonstration of baseball despite his background in basketball. Expertise in one is not a free ticket to expertise in another.
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Poor analogy, eh? What is it with you guys attacking not his opinions, but the very fact that he dares to comment? I suppose you will now cease to comment on slavery, politics, etc... Everything that you are not considered to be experts on.
And what are you talking about with Jordan? His demonstration of baseball. Though he was a crummy professional, he would probably be considered an expert since he would probably be in the top 5% of all the people in the country at playing baseball.
 
Hatuey said:
Awww, well - it's too bad nobody listens to Libertarians on the matter.

Broken water cooler? It'll fix itself.
Got diarrhea? It'll fix itself.
Not enough coins for the laundromat? It'll fix itself.

That's why I guess Libertarians are considered persona non grata in the political world. They think things magically fix themselves. :shrug: Now be a good Libertarian and write freedom, post a quote by Jefferson and then a rant about how you hate fascists. That will show us.
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Is this supposed to be an argument for Keynesian economics and welfare programs? Do you think Keynesian economics was ever actually practiced? Do you think that welfare actually resolves problems? :lol:
 
Anthony60 said:
Poor analogy, eh? What is it with you guys attacking not his opinions, but the very fact that he dares to comment?
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Oh I think we've been quite good about ridiculing his absurd rhetoric.
 
Kobie said:
We've been over his thoughts on Obamacare. Even mentioning it in the same breath as the word "slavery" is moronic.
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You besides that it's been shown that the law is filled with provisions that amount to slavery.
 
Henrin said:
Is this supposed to be an argument for Keynesian economics and welfare programs? Do you think Keynesian economics was ever actually practiced? Do you think that welfare actually resolves problems? :lol:
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Not really. It's a well placed joke at the expense of the average welfare receiving Libertarian.
 
Henrin said:
You besides that it's been shown that the law is filled with provisions that amount to slavery.
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slav·er·y
/ˈslāvərē/
Noun

The state of being a slave.
The practice or system of owning slaves.
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You dishonor my ancestors by pretending your complaints about a tax are comparable to what they went through.
 
Henrin said:
You besides that it's been shown that the law is filled with provisions that amount to slavery.
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Using a very odd definition of slavery, apparently.
 
Kobie said:
Using a very odd definition of slavery, apparently.
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He's a Libertarian. What did you expect? In his mind, he's being held in chains, whipped in the hot sun, told to work for 17 hours a day, sold like cattle and his family has been sold off to the highest bidder. That's how serious people who make such claims are. They really think ACA actually amounts to physical suffering as well as social and cultural destruction.
 
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