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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, I have talked to you about this before and from what I remember you lacked any sort of argument.
    Yes, because I was too busy attempting to put the pieces of my skull back together after my head exploded from the sheer audacity it takes to compare mandatory health insurance to forcibly removing people from their homeland; shipping them across the ocean to buy and sell as chattel; forcing them to labor under grueling conditions for no pay; brutally whipping, raping and sometimes killing them; and fighting a bloody war to protect these practices when enough people finally got sick of that bull.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Can you prove that section 1233 didn't implement death panels? That should be easy, using the text of the bill. Yes?

    You can't do it, either, but I have to ask.
    Yes, I can prove that.

    Nothing in the section indicated that the government would have any control over decisions made as a result of that end-of-life consultation. There was no "panel" of any kind created by that section. The only people involved would be the patient and a doctor. Medicare would pay for that consultation.

    No "government bureaucrat" would be attending.
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    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, I can prove that.

    Nothing in the section indicated that the government would have any control over decisions made as a result of that end-of-life consultation. There was no "panel" of any kind created by that section. The only people involved would be the patient and a doctor. Medicare would pay for that consultation.

    No "government bureaucrat" would be attending.
    Game, set, match.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Really? Did he go to law school too?

    I'll take my chances with Roberts or Scalia.
    Why would you have to be a lawyer to understand the constitution? About half of the men who create it were not lawyers.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Why would you have to be a lawyer to understand the constitution? About half of the men who create it were not lawyers.
    Personally, I think anyone trying to compare a $695 penalty for not having health insurance to slavery and murder is a bit delusional. To the point where that person's interpretation of the constitution is suspect.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Why would you have to be a lawyer to understand the constitution? About half of the men who create it were not lawyers.
    Because lay people often misread, and seldom see how one thing connects to another. Th lay person too often thinks it's clear, which is the first sign of not understanding. This is true of nearly all such documents.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yes, because I was too busy attempting to put the pieces of my skull back together after my head exploded from the sheer audacity it takes to compare mandatory health insurance to forcibly removing people from their homeland; shipping them across the ocean to buy and sell as chattel; forcing them to labor under grueling conditions for no pay; brutally whipping, raping and sometimes killing them; and fighting a bloody war to protect these practices when enough people finally got sick of that bull.
    Chattel slavery or otherwise known as traditional slavery is not the only type of slavery. Forcing people into service for others is involuntary servitude and a type of slavery. When a business owner has to provide a service to their employee against their will that is involuntary servitude and thus slavery. Much like it's involuntary servitude to force insurance companies to provide coverage to people with pre-existing conditions. Involuntary servitude is not dependent on compensation nor does it call for the individual to be whipped, raped or threatened with death.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Chattel slavery or otherwise known as traditional slavery is not the only type of slavery. Forcing people into service for others is involuntary servitude and a type of slavery. When a business owner has to provide a service to their employee against their will that is involuntary servitude and thus slavery. Much like it's involuntary servitude to force insurance companies to provide coverage to people with pre-existing conditions. Involuntary servitude is not dependent on compensation, nor does it call for the individual to be whipped, raped or threatened with death.
    Yeah! And when a pilot is forced to be trained properly, it's a sort of involuntary servitude to his passengers!
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Chattel slavery or otherwise known as traditional slavery is not the only type of slavery. Forcing people into service for others is involuntary servitude and a type of slavery. When a business owner has to provide a service to their employee against their will that is involuntary servitude and thus slavery. Much like it's involuntary servitude to force insurance companies to provide coverage to people with pre-existing conditions. Involuntary servitude is not dependent on compensation nor does it call for the individual to be whipped, raped or threatened with death.
    And this is where we will never, ever agree.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Chattel slavery or otherwise known as traditional slavery is not the only type of slavery. Forcing people into service for others is involuntary servitude and a type of slavery. When a business owner has to provide a service to their employee against their will that is involuntary servitude and thus slavery. Much like it's involuntary servitude to force insurance companies to provide coverage to people with pre-existing conditions. Involuntary servitude is not dependent on compensation, nor does it call for the individual to be whipped, raped or threatened with death.
    He's right:

    Originally Posted by Kobie
    Yes, because I was too busy attempting to put the pieces of my skull back together after my head exploded from the sheer audacity it takes to compare mandatory health insurance to forcibly removing people from their homeland; shipping them across the ocean to buy and sell as chattel; forcing them to labor under grueling conditions for no pay; brutally whipping, raping and sometimes killing them; and fighting a bloody war to protect these practices when enough people finally got sick of that bull.
    No form of slavery is anything but but mindless exaggeration as a comparison.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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