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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Who imposes it is of no meaning. If it is slavery (), then it's slavery by the state as well. This is called logic. And while it is true that you can opt out of driving a car by not driving, the premise is the same. There is no way to opt out of health. So, you become our burden when you don't insure yourself. You will find throughout history, and our history, of communities dealing with health issues in a communal way. Now, it was a little more possible to hide for the world out in the wilderness, die young, and not be a burden on others. But in the world today, we live close to one another, with many more ways to burden others by our poor choices. It is reasonable to address such issues. When the uninsured have the potential to burden others, it is reasonable to address that as a community, be it state or federal.
    You seem to pine for an authoritarian state.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I don't pay attention to your questions, because they have nothing to do with the point.
    No, you don't pay attention to my question because to answer it honestly would expose your social authoritarian dreams.

    I don't believe in natural rights at all...
    Then you have a real problem living in the US don't you...Because this country is founded on natural rights.

    ...so everything other than the freedom to think what you want is a "privilege" granted by those around you.
    Wow....That is a stunning statement...So, you think that if my life is a privilege, then you have the ability to take it if you are around me....I'd like to see that....It is so absurd, but thanks for revealing who, and what you really are.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, you don't pay attention to my question because to answer it honestly would expose your social authoritarian dreams.
    I don't have social authoritarian dreams. Not sure where you got that from. Is it because I think you're dumb?

    Then you have a real problem living in the US don't you...Because this country is founded on natural rights.
    It's founded on the idea that they exist. I don't see any evidence of them. Too bad, I live here and work for the government.

    Wow....That is a stunning statement...So, you think that if my life is a privilege, then you have the ability to take it if you are around me....I'd like to see that....It is so absurd, but thanks for revealing who, and what you really are.
    Ummm yeah. I have the ability to take it and/or you have the ability to stop me. Those are the laws of nature.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I don't have social authoritarian dreams. Not sure where you got that from. Is it because I think you're dumb?
    You go through life like that?

    It's founded on the idea that they exist. I don't see any evidence of them. Too bad, I live here and work for the government.
    That is too bad.

    Ummm yeah. I have the ability to take it and/or you have the ability to stop me. Those are the laws of nature.
    oh I see, like most progressives, you rely on playing semantics...I don't have time for that, or for you....Have a nice day.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You seem to pine for an authoritarian state.
    Nothing of the kind. You once again leave what is being to said to make a wild leap. This seems to be another one of your tactics when you can't debate the actual issue.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nothing of the kind. You once again leave what is being to said to make a wild leap. This seems to be another one of your tactics when you can't debate the actual issue.
    No, I am just commenting on what I am reading. And with my jaw dropping as you and others seem to speak of other's money like it is yours to dictate how it is spent.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, I am just commenting on what I am reading. And with my jaw dropping as you and others seem to speak of other's money like it is yours to dictate how it is spent.
    No one has said that. Remember, I pay taxes as well. And we both pay for others before reform. You seem to lack a basic understanding of the issue, or how representative government works. So, try to address what is actually said.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one has said that. Remember, I pay taxes as well. And we both pay for others before reform. You seem to lack a basic understanding of the issue, or how representative government works. So, try to address what is actually said.
    Just read through the thread, and the conversations...I didn't say that you 'said' that. But that is the gist of what you are talking about. As for my understanding of the issue, or how government works, I understand both just fine thanks.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Just read through the thread, and the conversations...I didn't say that you 'said' that. But that is the gist of what you are talking about. As for my understanding of the issue, or how government works, I understand both just fine thanks.
    No, it isn't what we're talking about. Not slavery. Not socialism. Not theft. Not spending other people's money. We're. Talking about a cheaper more effective way of providing service we already pay for.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it isn't what we're talking about. Not slavery. Not socialism. Not theft. Not spending other people's money. We're. Talking about a cheaper more effective way of providing service we already pay for.
    So far though, it isn't cheaper, nor more effective....
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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