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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

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    Well, the paths may not be at equal points, but under progressive governance we are certainly headed to the same miserable destination.
    No, they are not. That's completely false. Let me give you a good read if you're up to it:

    Democracy's Dual Dangers - The Chronicle Review - The Chronicle of Higher Education

    Yet there is nothing new about this outburst of disgust with the workings of democracy. Nor is it distinctively American. Europeans (with the possible exception of Germans) are just as disenchanted with their elected politicians. Lamenting the failings of democracy is a permanent feature of democratic life, one that persists through governmental crises and successes alike.

    There is no decade from the past century when it is not possible to find an extended debate among commentators and intellectuals in the democratic West about the inadequacies of democratic politics. This is not true of only those decades when Western democracy was clearly on the ropes, like the 1930s, when it was menaced by fascism, or the 1970s, when it was threatened by inflation and oil shock. It's also true of the prosperous and relatively stable decades as well. In the 1920s, Walter Lippmann led the charge, arguing that democratic publics were far too ill-informed and inattentive to manage their own affairs. In the 1950s, academics worried about the banality and exhaustion of democratic life. Daniel Bell took a positive stance with his claims about the end of ideology, but for the most part democracy was treated as a cumbersome, careless system of government, in permanent danger of being outwitted by the Soviets.

    Even the 1980s, which we now look back on as a time of emergent democratic triumphalism, were dominated by prophecies of doom. Consider the two best-selling academic books from the end of that decade. One, Allan Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind (1987), argued that the endemic triviality of mass democracy would destroy the minds of the young, leaving them unable to distinguish good from bad. (Bloom blamed, among other people, Mick Jagger.) The second, Paul Kennedy's The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers (1988), foretold American decline as the demands of sustaining a global empire would overwhelm the capacity of the American people to put up with them.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    I'll have to dig into it tomorrow, on the road now.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

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    Venezuela
    How, exactly, are we emulating Venezuela?
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'll have to dig into it tomorrow, on the road now.
    Fair enough.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, they are not. That's completely false. Let me give you a good read if you're up to it:

    Democracy's Dual Dangers - The Chronicle Review - The Chronicle of Higher Education

    Yet there is nothing new about this outburst of disgust with the workings of democracy. Nor is it distinctively American. Europeans (with the possible exception of Germans) are just as disenchanted with their elected politicians. Lamenting the failings of democracy is a permanent feature of democratic life, one that persists through governmental crises and successes alike.

    There is no decade from the past century when it is not possible to find an extended debate among commentators and intellectuals in the democratic West about the inadequacies of democratic politics. This is not true of only those decades when Western democracy was clearly on the ropes, like the 1930s, when it was menaced by fascism, or the 1970s, when it was threatened by inflation and oil shock. It's also true of the prosperous and relatively stable decades as well. In the 1920s, Walter Lippmann led the charge, arguing that democratic publics were far too ill-informed and inattentive to manage their own affairs. In the 1950s, academics worried about the banality and exhaustion of democratic life. Daniel Bell took a positive stance with his claims about the end of ideology, but for the most part democracy was treated as a cumbersome, careless system of government, in permanent danger of being outwitted by the Soviets.

    Even the 1980s, which we now look back on as a time of emergent democratic triumphalism, were dominated by prophecies of doom. Consider the two best-selling academic books from the end of that decade. One, Allan Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind (1987), argued that the endemic triviality of mass democracy would destroy the minds of the young, leaving them unable to distinguish good from bad. (Bloom blamed, among other people, Mick Jagger.) The second, Paul Kennedy's The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers (1988), foretold American decline as the demands of sustaining a global empire would overwhelm the capacity of the American people to put up with them.
    Well, I read what he had to say, and I must say that there is nothing like being told that us dumb Americans don't have a clue in dry, drivel that pines for a totalitarian style of government....Believe me, I am not attacking the author personally, although that would be easy, because the overtly biased David Runciman has been taken to task before, here: Those crazy Republicans explained: a BBC bias masterclass - Biased BBC

    In the end he is a liberal, political science degree holder, that sits on the border of advocating, and opining for the good ol' days of Soviet style communism...

    To put it nicely, I don't think much of his opinion....
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    How, exactly, are we emulating Venezuela?
    Fast forward this to about 2:35 and listen....

    http://wilkowmajority.com/media/uplo..._Gillespie.mp3
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I read what he had to say, and I must say that there is nothing like being told that us dumb Americans don't have a clue in dry, drivel that pines for a totalitarian style of government....Believe me, I am not attacking the author personally, although that would be easy, because the overtly biased David Runciman has been taken to task before, here: Those crazy Republicans explained: a BBC bias masterclass - Biased BBC

    In the end he is a liberal, political science degree holder, that sits on the border of advocating, and opining for the good ol' days of Soviet style communism...

    To put it nicely, I don't think much of his opinion....
    Not exactly what he said. He said such cliams of doom and gloom, of hatred talk, is not new. And he doesn't say anyone on the spectrum is worse than another. The article also criticizes accademics.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not exactly what he said. He said such cliams of doom and gloom, of hatred talk, is not new. And he doesn't say anyone on the spectrum is worse than another. The article also criticizes accademics.
    Yeah, I read it, but don't be fooled by the seeming cover he gives by paying microscopic lip service to what you now point to as some proof of equal treatment...It's thin, and his track record of taking a hackish liberal stance on a range of subjects must be taken into account.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, I read it, but don't be fooled by the seeming cover he gives by paying microscopic lip service to what you now point to as some proof of equal treatment...It's thin, and his track record of taking a hackish liberal stance on a range of subjects must be taken into account.
    I always mistrust those who tell other people what they really meant. Any chance you let your bias read into things what isn't there?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I always mistrust those who tell other people what they really meant. Any chance you let your bias read into things what isn't there?
    Well, that is the usual response whenever I don't buy into any article you think proves your point, that or attack me personally by highlighting some bias, because I don't agree. Any chance that your own bias caused you to post an article from a person that is documented to have such biased views himself against the Conservatives, or TP in America that he has been called on it in the past? I am sure not.....:
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