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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Dear God, the delusions of the left know no bounds.
    aint that the truth bro..

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Accuracy, is obviously subjective to you considering your reliance of Stewart as a source.
    No, it isn't. But I don't use Stewart as a source, other than a humorous one. Using Fox or MSNBC political entertainers, or American non-thinker or NRO or National Review or any liberal equivalent is much sillier than using the humor that nails a point.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    You fail to state how that short coming justifies government intervention. Why should an individual's debt become society's lean?
    Matter of opinion here. I think when I point how your neighbors illness can and often does bled over to others, possibly you, and how community health effects a community, I am stating how it justifies a community (government) intervention. The debt, which also gets passed on to you no matter how we look at it, is also a concern. It doesn't just vanish. That to, as with the rationale behind car insurance, justifies a community (government) intervention.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    There is no logic.. hence the "progressive" lean... LOL
    No need to be snarky, I wasn't trying to be condescending towards Verax or a group he self-affiliates with. It just seems counterintuitive to me that one would support a group simply because they lie instead of tell the truth. Attacks towards groups like this only muddle the conversation as it gets people to react defensively with emotion rather than logic. I, in making my observation, am relying on Verax being a logical and rational person to be able to understand the import of the observation. He didn't go out and vote, which indicates that he may not have done much research on his position and that his position may be shifted with logical debate.

    Personally, I think there are probably other reasons why Verax would preferred to have voted democrat. That is probably the most likely outcome of this comment - his detailling of additional reasons for preffering to have supported the current administration during the previous election. Most people don't consciously choose to be illogical, it just happens because they don't think about it (and if he wasn't planning on voting, what would have been the point of wasting the time thinking about it?).

    Now, I don't know much about Verax. He very well could prove himself to be illogical and unreasonable. But I'd rather give him the benefit of the doubt before labelling and demeaning him. I'm not trying to be preachy; I just know the blind supporters can make one cynical over time around here and that can sometimes be taken out on bystanders.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Obamacare is de facto slavery...

    Under Obamacare our government dictates absolutely everything - from who we choose as our doctors to our general health...

    Wait until the government starts using "healthcare costs" as a reason to start banning products, claiming that certain products contribute to certain health risks...

    Obamacare opens the door for the government to regulate anything and everything - including people...

    The power and "back doors" for the government to legislate and control the people has not even been realized yet by the majority. The type of powers Obamacare grants to the government is similar to the Patriot Act.

    A lot of people don't understand that Obamacare has absolutely NOTHING to do with healthcare and EVERYTHING to do with CONTROL of the people. Our government will use Obamacare as a tool to ban, regulate and control the people via dictation and they will do it claiming "healthcare costs" -- of course their goal is to dictate the economy with their bans and regulations (dictated economy er socialist economy)....

    It's amazing how people cannot see this.....

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Matter of opinion here. I think when I point how your neighbors illness can and often does bled over to others, possibly you, and how community health effects a community, I am stating how it justifies a community (government) intervention. The debt, which also gets passed on to you no matter how we look at it, is also a concern. It doesn't just vanish. That to, as with the rationale behind car insurance, justifies a community (government) intervention.
    So if I buy a bunch of houses I can't pay for, should society pay my mortgage? Why should health care be treated differently than any other debt?
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it isn't. But I don't use Stewart as a source, other than a humorous one. Using Fox or MSNBC political entertainers, or American non-thinker or NRO or National Review or any liberal equivalent is much sillier than using the humor that nails a point.
    You have used Stewart as a source before.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I didn't vote because I'm not in a swing state, however if I did I would have voted for Obama.

    Why? Because he is not a Republican. Republicans have this idea if we fall over ourselves helping those that are already doing extremely well do extremely well + %10 it will fix our problems with a golden shower of prosperity trickling down to the masses. It is blatantly obvious if you look at the last 40 years this hasn't happened. We've already tried this experiment, all it does is help the people at the very top and everyone else remains stuck. Now, its pretty apparent Dems are sleezy too. There is one party, the business party, it has two wings called the Dems and Repubs. The Dems atleast talk about doing the right thing. Whether or not they actually will do it is another question. The Republicans outright tell you they are going to pummel the middle class to death and worship the rich. So who am I supposed to support?
    Vote for the most qualified experienced candidate with a proven track record and never mind the party. That's the only way to get out of the party politics that is galvanizing and, in the process, might ultimately destroy the country.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it isn't. But I don't use Stewart as a source, other than a humorous one. Using Fox or MSNBC political entertainers, or American non-thinker or NRO or National Review or any liberal equivalent is much sillier than using the humor that nails a point.
    Who do you use as a source? Mother Jones perhaps?

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    So if I buy a bunch of houses I can't pay for, should society pay my mortgage? Why should health care be treated differently than any other debt?
    I don't know who said it first but it's a good analogy for Obamacare and all the other 'fair' programs. A fellow goes into MacDonalds, orders four Happy Meals and tells the cashier, "The guy behind me will pay for this".

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