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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then I have to say that your family is NOT representative of the industry as a whole.
    Sure they are. As I told, we can throw different opinions from doctors, including those who would support UHC. But none have reported that anything as actually happened yet.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Sure they are. As I told, we can throw different opinions from doctors, including those who would support UHC. But none have reported that anything as actually happened yet.
    Oh brother, are you really saying that because the ACA hasn't been fully implemented yet that we can't look at what is written into law, and make practical assumptions in a business sense of what is to come? That's absurd.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh brother, are you really saying that because the ACA hasn't been fully implemented yet that we can't look at what is written into law, and make practical assumptions in a business sense of what is to come? That's absurd.
    I'm really saying that nothing has happened yet. I've also said, quoting your article, that nothing in the law makes doctors do anything. You're article argues they will not because the law makes them, but because they will work the system to get more money. I have a little more faith in most doctors. Some always milk any system, but most will do their job. I'm also saying pay doesn't dictate practice. A heart attack requires the same treatment regardless of who is or isn't paying. If you were at all worried that low pay would would influence care, I'd have thought that you'd be concern about all those people who can't really pay right now. I'm sure you will miss this logic, but it's there for you anyway.

    The fact, and it is a fact, the law does not require a change in care.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm really saying that nothing has happened yet. I've also said, quoting your article, that nothing in the law makes doctors do anything. You're article argues they will not because the law makes them, but because they will work the system to get more money. I have a little more faith in most doctors. Some always milk any system, but most will do their job. I'm also saying pay doesn't dictate practice. A heart attack requires the same treatment regardless of who is or isn't paying. If you were at all worried that low pay would would influence care, I'd have thought that you'd be concern about all those people who can't really pay right now. I'm sure you will miss this logic, but it's there for you anyway.

    The fact, and it is a fact, the law does not require a change in care.
    Joe, I know that your method of approaching anything that may be negative is to wait and see if indeed it turns out that way...It always has been. But, I am telling you that stalling to entrench the law so that it can not be removed for something better is IMHO, a mistake. We know from HC professionals, and business people that this won't work. But as always, you are not willing to concede to the professionals that do this for a living, (your own family members aside) instead opting to use stalling tactics leads me to believe that you, (being in favor of SP) are willing to destroy the system to rebuild it....
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Joe, I know that your method of approaching anything that may be negative is to wait and see if indeed it turns out that way...It always has been. But, I am telling you that stalling to entrench the law so that it can not be removed for something better is IMHO, a mistake. We know from HC professionals, and business people that this won't work. But as always, you are not willing to concede to the professionals that do this for a living, (your own family members aside) instead opting to use stalling tactics leads me to believe that you, (being in favor of SP) are willing to destroy the system to rebuild it....
    J, anyone can whine the sky is falling. Anyone. But the fact remains, and it is a fact, nothing demands any doctor change care. It's just not there. And it takes a serious skewing of logic to say more people with payers means less care.

    And no, you hear it from cherry picked contrarians. You ask no questions of them, as it fits your narrative. When such people give testimony contrary to your belief, you have no trouble questioning then, but fail to see the inconsistency in your approach.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, anyone can whine the sky is falling. Anyone. But the fact remains, and it is a fact, nothing demands any doctor change care. It's just not there. And it takes a serious skewing of logic to say more people with payers means less care.

    And no, you hear it from cherry picked contrarians. You ask no questions of them, as it fits your narrative. When such people give testimony contrary to your belief, you have no trouble questioning then, but fail to see the inconsistency in your approach.
    Do you feel better? Now that we have had that little critique of each other based on our opinion and nothing else, would you like to resume on the topic?
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    LOL. What made that lady's coverage "useless"? Is it because she might have had to fork over $9 a month to buy birth control pills?

    That lady made clear part of her "issue" was the monthly fee. Where in Obamadon'tcare does it state you get to decide her "issues"?

    Her old policy won't pay for her getting psychiatric counseling for being a drug addict alcoholic, won't pay her prenatal and birthing bills, nor medical treatment for breastfeeding difficulties.

    Of course, none of that applies to her so she might as well be prepaying for a flight aboard a starship, but what does actually getting anything for what you are paying for have to do with anything?

    WHY CAN'T PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS THE SLOGANS OF GOODNESS THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS? Sure, the ACA devastates millions and millions of people - particularly the poor - and is more hundreds of billions in corporate welfare at the middle and lower class expense by allowing companies to abolish emplyee insurance. BUT IT IS THE SLOGANS OF GOODNESS that matters. Not the reality. Everything else is irrelevant.

    Plus, if you are a PATRIOTIC AMERICAN, you will support your president - unless you are a racist. More important, if you are a Democrat you would be a Christie-style traitor to not support the ACA named after the the president of your political party. A Democrat not supporting the ACA would be like a New Yorker cheering the Dodgers. Loyalty is everything!
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's actually addressing the problem. More like if I had a leak in the bathroom, costing me tons of money on my water bill, and a found a way to fix the leak.
    Multiple times now, you've stated this while completely ignoring my powerful and hard-hitting post that demonstrates the "problem" lacked the severity needed to justify passing a bill without anybody reading it as if there was some state of emergency disaster and they quickly needed to appropriate funds. Here it is again: .....fact is, there was no such crisis, and to prove it, I asked for anyone who did not have access to free or low cost medical, to give us the city and state they live in, and we could look into it. There was one single response by someone who said the free clinic in Chicago was not to their liking. This doesn't justify a monstrously expensive bill at a time of possible financial collapse. It doesn't justify top priority status. It doesn't justify violating the constitution to pass it.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    Multiple times now, you've stated this while completely ignoring my powerful and hard-hitting post that demonstrates the "problem" lacked the severity needed to justify passing a bill without anybody reading it as if there was some state of emergency disaster and they quickly needed to appropriate funds. Here it is again: .....fact is, there was no such crisis, and to prove it, I asked for anyone who did not have access to free or low cost medical, to give us the city and state they live in, and we could look into it. There was one single response by someone who said the free clinic in Chicago was not to their liking. This doesn't justify a monstrously expensive bill at a time of possible financial collapse. It doesn't justify top priority status. It doesn't justify violating the constitution to pass it.
    Claiming that nobody read the bill is a false claim.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Claiming that nobody read the bill is a false claim.
    Don't take it from us....Listen to your hero Connyers...

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