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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    It has to do with intellectual capacity. Not all IQ's are equal. The fact that so many fall for slick political marketing and buy in to a political philosophy isn't a mark of correctness or intelligence. Being able to understand the complexity of the brain is however a mark or real intelligence, and therefore shows a capacity to understand political philosophy, rather than being a hoodwinked stooge of the left.
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    I've read some stupid stuff on this forum, and your post is among the stupidest.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Maybe we can dissect this a little further. You have insurance companies and government policies that strong arm DR's through contractual agreements into taking reimbursements for services at a percentage of their 100% market value. This was fine up until now because the Dr.'s could choose to not participate in the insurance market. Now that every citizen is forced into the insurance market, there is no customer left that does not participate in that market. Therefore Dr.'s will be forced to supply their labor and expertise at the rate that insurance companies decide. Insurance companies, backed by the force of government enslave a portion of the Dr's labor. This is the intentional plan to reduce cost, while supporting capped profits for insurance companies.

    Problem is older Doc's will retire, and young potential Doc's have limited incentives.
    Between the wife and me, 4 of the doctors we see, 2 have decided to retire and 2 have decided to go back home to their country or another country to practice. The reason they cited was Obamacare, so it has already started. So the ACA is suppose to add 20-30 million to the roles while the number of doctors shrink. If you thought VA had long lines and long waits, that is about to happen to all of us.

    The problem with the ACA as it is with any major legislation passed is congress assumes people, business, corporations, providers etc will continue doing the same thing they have always done although the rules of the game has change. People, providers, business, etc will all adjust to the new rules and do what is best for them, their actions will not be as congress thought, planned and theorized they would be.

    I understand this, but how good or how bad the ACA will end up being is not known yet. Time will tell and the indication at this point is not good. But a few adjustments to the law might change some of that. That is if those adjustments are allowed to be made. Time will tell.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    His intellectual abilities pertaining to medicine are beyond question. His political philosophy thus far has proven to be absolutely cartoonish. Not all who are successful in other venues have a firm grasp on political or historical reality. Donald Trump immediately comes to mind.
    Just like Obama might be a great community organizer, but he's a buffoon of a president.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    SHORTER JOHNDYLAN1: "Only conservatives are smart."

    I've read some stupid stuff on this forum, and your post is among the stupidest.
    Not at all, I appreciate a good reasoned response to any argument coming from anywhere on the political spectrum. I was referring specifically to emotionally based, uninformed responses coming from hoodwinked stooges. Your comments rise to that level as is evidenced above.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    He's a homophobe because of his religion, plus he belongs to a church that believes earth is 6000 years old.

    Does not believe in evolution because of comical objections disputed by a quick google.


    So this is not really news, dumb indoctrinated people generally say dumb things like that.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Not at all, I appreciate a good reasoned response to any argument coming from anywhere on the political spectrum. I was referring specifically to emotionally based, uninformed responses coming from hoodwinked stooges. Your comments rise to that level as is evidenced above.
    The idea that a brain surgeon is somehow more capable of understanding political thought is preposterous. And your "hoodwinked stooge of the left" comment clearly indicates that you feel that anyone not of your political persuasion is less intelligent by default.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Between the wife and me, 4 of the doctors we see, 2 have decided to retire and 2 have decided to go back home to their country or another country to practice. The reason they cited was Obamacare, so it has already started. So the ACA is suppose to add 20-30 million to the roles while the number of doctors shrink. If you thought VA had long lines and long waits, that is about to happen to all of us.

    The problem with the ACA as it is with any major legislation passed is congress assumes people, business, corporations, providers etc will continue doing the same thing they have always done although the rules of the game has change. People, providers, business, etc will all adjust to the new rules and do what is best for them, their actions will not be as congress thought, planned and theorized they would be.

    I understand this, but how good or how bad the ACA will end up being is not known yet. Time will tell and the indication at this point is not good. But a few adjustments to the law might change some of that. That is if those adjustments are allowed to be made. Time will tell.
    I agree with you here, but this you have described is really the greater problem of leftist philosophy. People adjust. Market forces and individual self interest responds to policy in unforeseen ways and the market continues create inequities. And that continues, unless and until enough force is applied in order to completely squash market responses. This has historically been the habit of authoritarian governments, and leads to massive oppression. Here in the US we have avoided this through protecting free markets allowing and ebb and flow to policy which also allows us to roll with the punches so-to-speak. Now, however we are being boxed in by our first authoritarian directive from the left.

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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I agree with you here, but this you have described is really the greater problem of leftist philosophy. People adjust. Market forces and individual self interest responds to policy in unforeseen ways and the market continues create inequities. And that continues, unless and until enough force is applied in order to completely squash market responses. This has historically been the habit of authoritarian governments, and leads to massive oppression. Here in the US we have avoided this through protecting free markets allowing and ebb and flow to policy which also allows us to roll with the punches so-to-speak. Now, however we are being boxed in by our first authoritarian directive from the left.
    Ask the millions of people who couldn't get health coverage how that whole "rolling with the punches" thing went for them.

    I've generally found that the frequency of the use of the word "left," "liberal" or "leftist" in someone's post almost directly correlates with how often they are completely wrong.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post




    At least they didn't have to worry about Obamacare.
    It's a good thing, too, because they wouldn't have been able to afford it.
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    Re: Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The idea that a brain surgeon is somehow more capable of understanding political thought is preposterous. And your "hoodwinked stooge of the left" comment clearly indicates that you feel that anyone not of your political persuasion is less intelligent by default.
    I stand by my assessment of intellectual capacity being important for the understanding of any subject. Dr. Carson hasn't only had his nose in a medical journal, he has indeed applied himself to the study of political philosophy, which he clearly understands based on his articulation of the subject. Dismissing his explanations based on one's own political bias is telling. Secondly, The fact that you do not have the capacity to understand that "hoodwinked stooge of the left" isn't necessarily a statement applicable to all leftists. Some of you actually believe it, amazingly.

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