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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    We already covered this on the other thread A) the man has made his theories and positions known outside the book. B) he is not a historian C) Actual biblical scholars and historians have addressed his work, from a variety of backgrounds, and have nothing positive to say about it.

    So between the facts that he has no real background in the area of study, the issues I can recognize even with my paltry knowledge of the field, the well worn "conspiracy" formula to his claims and means of promotion, and the fact that actual experts compare him to dan brown, make me pretty confident in dismissing his work



    They are familier enough with his theories to actually address them and are actual experts in the field. So yes, I tend to concede to their knowledge




    I did do research




    You seem pretty emotionally invested in Atwill's theories. Maybe do a bit of self-examination and ask yourself if you are being objective in your analysis of it. As for me, Jesus being a myth, or not, doesn't matter to me. But, I will address an argument when I see issues with it and doubly so when it takes on the character of conspiracy chatter
    LOL! Weak and pithy.










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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

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    LOL! Weak and pithy
    "weak and pithy" would be responding to a detailed post with "LOL! Weak and pithy" ...

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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    this doesnt impact anythign "i" said in anyway what so ever
    did you have a point that relates to what i said
    You stated: "now mind you im still a christian but the platform for Christianity existed way before Christianity many times in many forms which makes everything suspect and even more thin that it already was." My response was that Christianity existed from the beginning so there was no before Christianity.

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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    1.) You stated: "now mind you im still a christian but the platform for Christianity existed way before Christianity many times in many forms which makes everything suspect and even more thin that it already was."
    2.) My response was that Christianity existed from the beginning so there was no before Christianity.
    1.) yes that is exactly what was stated
    2.) and your response doesnt change anything

    you referred to a teaching that has zero factual support
    you referred to a teaching that came into existence itself in modern times

    so your reference has zero impact to anything i said. Do you disagree? if so please explain why your reference has an impact.
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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yes that is exactly what was stated
    2.) and your response doesnt change anything

    you referred to a teaching that has zero factual support
    you referred to a teaching that came into existence itself in modern times

    so your reference has zero impact to anything i said. Do you disagree? if so please explain why your reference has an impact.
    The NT text itself implies that it is not a new religion but that it began with Adam. Jesus stated Abraham saw His day. Pre-existence of the human spirit and aspects of what Joseph Smith received through revelation can be found implied in the Bible and in other ancient historical sources outside the Bible. To say it is all modern is not true. The point remains valid whether you see it or not that if the religions devolved from an original religion, and the gospel of Christ was that religion, that that would explain seeing aspects of it in so many religions. Just as you can go the other way without proof also that Christianity borrowed from older traditions.

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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    1.)The NT text itself implies that it is not a new religion but that it began with Adam. Jesus stated Abraham saw His day. Pre-existence of the human spirit and aspects of what Joseph Smith received through revelation can be found implied in the Bible and in other ancient historical sources outside the Bible.
    2.)To say it is all modern is not true.
    3.)The point remains valid whether you see it or not that if the religions devolved from an original religion
    4.) and the gospel of Christ was that religion
    5.) that that would explain seeing aspects of it in so many religions.
    6.) Just as you can go the other way without proof also that Christianity borrowed from older traditions.
    1.) again what does that TEXT impact? its a teaching thats ORIGIN was not at the start of history or earth.
    2.) good thing i said not such thing then, i said its ORIGIN is modern and thats a fact. The orgin of LDS.
    3.) no it has no validity what so ever to what i said. NONE it is factually meaningless to what i said.
    4.) says what facts?
    5.) no it would not since there are earlier origins
    6.) never said it was factual only stated the fact there are and have been many religions with the same premise and very similar stories but their dates and origins are majorly off.

    Tomorrow i can make the religion of agent J and teach it was the first religion that way so many religions look like it. but it will be pretty shady if my origin is 2013 Pittsburgh.

    so again please explain why your reference has an impact to what i actually said.
    Maybe you think im claiming something im not, theres nothing you said that changes anything.

    also just a question?
    wouldn't ALL religions have to start at the beginning? i mean its roots/stories how else would it work? so religions claiming they were the first is common place and normal but it doesnt change the fact that many have similar stories but the dates and origins are severely off.

    what do you think you are arguing against?
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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    The NT text itself implies that it is not a new religion but that it began with Adam. Jesus stated Abraham saw His day. Pre-existence of the human spirit and aspects of what Joseph Smith received through revelation can be found implied in the Bible and in other ancient historical sources outside the Bible. To say it is all modern is not true. The point remains valid whether you see it or not that if the religions devolved from an original religion, and the gospel of Christ was that religion, that that would explain seeing aspects of it in so many religions. Just as you can go the other way without proof also that Christianity borrowed from older traditions.
    Christianity is not an entity that had an existence of it's own outside of human experience.
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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Christianity is not an entity that had an existence of it's own outside of human experience.
    Yeah. people can have faith in what they want ...


    Get it?

    It's not you right to even attempt to argue against faith...

    ****, I have faith you're an assclown in the flesh but maybe when we die you're the man at the gate.

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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Christianity is not an entity that had an existence of it's own outside of human experience.
    Yes Christianity had much debate - no need for a 500+ page historical dissent against the Catholic church.... Martin Luther is enough to spawn controversy...

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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) again what does that TEXT impact? its a teaching thats ORIGIN was not at the start of history or earth.
    2.) good thing i said not such thing then, i said its ORIGIN is modern and thats a fact. The orgin of LDS.
    3.) no it has no validity what so ever to what i said. NONE it is factually meaningless to what i said.
    4.) says what facts?
    5.) no it would not since there are earlier origins
    6.) never said it was factual only stated the fact there are and have been many religions with the same premise and very similar stories but their dates and origins are majorly off.

    Tomorrow i can make the religion of agent J and teach it was the first religion that way so many religions look like it. but it will be pretty shady if my origin is 2013 Pittsburgh.

    so again please explain why your reference has an impact to what i actually said.
    Maybe you think im claiming something im not, theres nothing you said that changes anything.

    also just a question?
    wouldn't ALL religions have to start at the beginning? i mean its roots/stories how else would it work? so religions claiming they were the first is common place and normal but it doesnt change the fact that many have similar stories but the dates and origins are severely off.

    what do you think you are arguing against?
    I've tried to decipher what you are saying but i don't get it. Maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying and my point is not related to it. Here is all I am saying, a lot of people state as fact that the NT writers just borrowed from more ancient traditions in concocting the Jesus story as found in the NT gospels which only undermines the entire religion. They don't seem to realize that if Christianity as found in the NT and taught by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is what it claims, then there should be traces of the Jesus story in other ancient sources as the gospel of Christ on this earth would be approximately four thousand years older than the NT, and predates the traditions that the NT writers supposedly borrowed from. Let me give an example that hopefully makes clear the point I am trying to make. Let's say Latin had become a lost language and we only have the several romance languages that descended from it. Then let's say in 1823 the original Latin language was discovered. Is it proper to call it a modern hoax just because there are traces of Italian, Spanish, Portuguese in it?

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