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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

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    What I find interesting is the need for some people to "rationalize" the unknown into "God did it". Specifically they even go further to say a "Christian, Muslim, etc God did it". There are so many other possilibities other than "No God" or "Christian, Muslim God" yet people are stuck on finite possibilities. Other choices include "A God (Or Gods) created the world and left it", "Multiple Gods here now", etc. Why is it that people cannot accept any of those, but choose to "follow like lemmings" into a nice fitting group like Christianity or Islam, etc?

    What makes Christianity or Islam any more rational than the choices I just listed?
    IMO, the most rational possibility is that the universe has always existed. How rational is the idea that the universe just "poofed" its' way into existence, either through God or through some natural phenomena?
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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm not speaking about the more faith based aspects of a religion. I'm talking about what we do know is fact. We know there is was a historical figure named Jesus. You don't even have to be a Christian to accept that fact. What people have added on to him (Mathew) is irrelevant. This guy is basically saying Jesus never existed to begin with.
    sorry if you thought i was talking directly at you or your own words, i was not, thats why i didnt quote you.
    i was simply addressing the article and what has come out before the article.

    but to address just what you said,(after i go back and read the earlier part with this post) i understand what the guy was saying and he could very well be right depending on ones definition of Jesus

    like you said, did some guy named jesus exist who was a religious figure? very possible, seems to be the case
    but also just like you said did some guy named jesus with all the extras, water to wine, son of god or even more specifically christian god. theres nothing factual that supports that.

    there was no real disagreement with your words
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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    There were hundreds of professed messiahs during the time. And many had followings. Yet only one had staying power, and not only staying power, but growth in every direction, among the wealthy and poor, scholars and illiterates, kings and paupers, and in virtually every language.

    A faith grew that has become the most accepting, most charitable, most loving, and most goodwilled religion the planet has seen. It's survived the multiple attempts to hijack it and twist it for evil, and it's always corrected and exposed those who tried.

    It is the strongest and most loving power this earth has ever seen.
    thats a great opinion you are allowed to have
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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    There were hundreds of professed messiahs during the time. And many had followings. Yet only one had staying power, and not only staying power, but growth in every direction, among the wealthy and poor, scholars and illiterates, kings and paupers, and in virtually every language.

    A faith grew that has become the most accepting, most charitable, most loving, and most goodwilled religion the planet has seen. It's survived the multiple attempts to hijack it and twist it for evil, and it's always corrected and exposed those who tried.

    It is the strongest and most loving power this earth has ever seen.
    You could just as easily be describing Aerosmith.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    sorry if you thought i was talking directly at you or your own words, i was not, thats why i didnt quote you.
    i was simply addressing the article and what has come out before the article.

    but to address just what you said,(after i go back and read the earlier part with this post) i understand what the guy was saying and he could very well be right depending on ones definition of Jesus

    like you said, did some guy named jesus exist who was a religious figure? very possible, seems to be the case
    but also just like you said did some guy named jesus with all the extras, water to wine, son of god or even more specifically christian god. theres nothing factual that supports that.

    there was no real disagreement with your words
    Even if the miracles attributed to him aren't true, and let's face it, there are so many "facts" attributed to historical figures that are simply untrue, it doesn't begin to excuse writing Jesus out of history by claiming he's an invention. I think he's being lazy in ignoring all the evidence which does support Jesus' existence as a historical figure. The worst part is aligning his life with that of a Roman Caesar. I could see why Romans would want to embrace Jesus. By the 3rd century the cult of Christ had already reached Rome. However, I just don't see the need to take it a bit further and make his existence into one big conspiracy. So in a sense, the Romans empire had an interest in aggrandizing Jesus but I don't see the need in inventing him.
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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You could just as easily be describing Aerosmith.
    even as a Christian myself that almost made me spit out my drink!!!!


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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    There were hundreds of professed messiahs during the time. And many had followings. Yet only one had staying power, and not only staying power, but growth in every direction, among the wealthy and poor, scholars and illiterates, kings and paupers, and in virtually every language.

    A faith grew that has become the most accepting, most charitable, most loving, and most goodwilled religion the planet has seen. It's survived the multiple attempts to hijack it and twist it for evil, and it's always corrected and exposed those who tried.

    It is the strongest and most loving power this earth has ever seen.
    Yeah, Islam is great.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    1.) Even if the miracles attributed to him aren't true, and let's face it, there are so many "facts" attributed to historical figures that are simply untrue, it doesn't begin to excuse writing Jesus out of history by claiming he's an invention.
    2.)I think he's being lazy in ignoring all the evidence which does support Jesus' existence as a historical figure.
    3.) The worst part is aligning his life with that of a Roman Caesar. I could see why Romans would want to embrace Jesus. By the 3rd century the cult of Christ had already reached Rome. However, I just don't see the need to take it a bit further and make his existence into one big conspiracy. So in a sense, the Romans empire had an interest in aggrandizing Jesus but I don't see the need in inventing him.
    1.) again i personally would write him out of "history" but many facets of him do seem to be pure invention, but this is also true for chuck Norris and i wouldnt write him out of history either.
    2.) maybe, i think he has a very specifi goal and thats to show the "extras" are crap but that is just my opinion and nothing else
    3.) again see #2 i think the goal is only about "Jesus 2.0" as i will refer to him for this talk lol and not Jesus Lite. But again just my opinon, we'd have to ask this dude exactly what he is getting at on all levels.
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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

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    even as a Christian myself that almost made me spit out my drink!!!!

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    Re: Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    There were hundreds of professed messiahs during the time. And many had followings. Yet only one had staying power, and not only staying power, but growth in every direction, among the wealthy and poor, scholars and illiterates, kings and paupers, and in virtually every language.

    A faith grew that has become the most accepting, most charitable, most loving, and most goodwilled religion the planet has seen. It's survived the multiple attempts to hijack it and twist it for evil, and it's always corrected and exposed those who tried.

    It is the strongest and most loving power this earth has ever seen.
    Great post.

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