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    Re: Is Speaker Boehner backing off Obamacare demands

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I've seen no specific signs from the Dems.
    I did see your man Krauthammer met with Obama.
    Dems are standing around waiting for House Repubs and Senate Repubs to figure out their new hostages.
    Kochs will pull Cantor's strings next week on default.
    Dems backing down was probably the wrong term, more like getting nervous. Polls are shifting and Obama is getting more and more of the blame for this as Dems refuse to reopen national parks and death benefits for vets.

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    Re: Is Speaker Boehner backing off Obamacare demands

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Dems backing down was probably the wrong term, more like getting nervous.
    We're all nervous, especially the Koch brothers in their letter.
    Cantor has what he wants in Ryan's budget.
    Carl Bernstein tore Cantor apart as a McCarthyite last night.
    Polls are shifting and Obama is getting more and more of the blame for this as Dems refuse to reopen national parks and death benefits for vets.
    Did you miss the conservative Gallup poll? The death benefits blame shows how desperate and disgraceful Repubs are.

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    Re: Is Speaker Boehner backing off Obamacare demands

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    We're all nervous, especially the Koch brothers in their letter.
    Cantor has what he wants in Ryan's budget.
    Carl Bernstein tore Cantor apart as a McCarthyite last night.

    Did you miss the conservative Gallup poll? The death benefits blame shows how desperate and disgraceful Repubs are.
    You are obviously watching this play out from a highly partisan view point, I am looking at it factually so see things a bit different.

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    Re: Is Speaker Boehner backing off Obamacare demands

    You tell me I'm highly partisan before you tell me Dems are refusing to reopen national parks and give death benefits for VETERANs. Enough said.
    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You are obviously watching this play out from a highly partisan view point, I am looking at it factually so see things a bit different.

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    Re: Is Speaker Boehner backing off Obamacare demands

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You tell me I'm highly partisan before you tell me Dems are refusing to reopen national parks and give death benefits for VETERANs. Enough said.
    Reps offered to fund national parks, Dems said no. Obama sat on his hands and hid behind lawyers when death benefits were suspended. Facts are facts.

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    Re: Is Speaker Boehner backing off Obamacare demands

    Gallup says America doesn't agree with Republican talking points.
    America is paying attention this time, as compared to previous sabotages.
    Please ignore the Koch brother warnings from yesterday.

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    Re: Is Speaker Boehner backing off Obamacare demands

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    We're all nervous, especially the Koch brothers in their letter.
    Cantor has what he wants in Ryan's budget.
    Carl Bernstein tore Cantor apart as a McCarthyite last night.

    Did you miss the conservative Gallup poll? The death benefits blame shows how desperate and disgraceful Repubs are.
    The Pentagon brought their civilian contractors back in house under the auspices of providing "moral support" to the Armed Forces, yet at the same time claimed the reason death benefits weren't being paid was because they didn't have the personnel to do the required paperwork. They even admitted that the money is there(1.7 million), and its available, but somehow they can't process paperwork. Thank goodness for the charity that is stepping in to do that for them.

    Nothing more than shutdown theater, orchestrated by the Executive branch. Next thing they will be putting curtains over Mt Rushmore. Gotta make the shutdown hurt...

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    Re: Is Speaker Boehner backing off Obamacare demands

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    There could be some sanity behind all the madness. By keeping this going, he puts more and more pressure and blame on the Tea Party. So when push comes to shove... the Tea Party will be blamed for any bad will concerning the shutdown, and he and the more "normal" members of the GOP can distance themselves from the Tea Party and get out from under their death grip.
    I really hadn't thought of it that way. It's an interesting viewpoint. I've seen Bohner as a hapless hostage of the Tea Party nutters. I still think that's the most likely explanation for his decision to shut down the government, because the GOP will suffer most for this, but it's also very damaging to Cruz and the TP. Whether Bohner planed it or not -- and I've never thought he was slick enough to pull off something like this -- it's still going to be damaging to the GOP as a whole, but to the TP-alligned members specifically.

    I've seen this as yet-another ham fisted stunt by the GOP -- like nominating Sarah Palin or attacking Hispanics (the one demographic that could have saved their party) -- but maybe it really was a very slick move in the in--party war they have going.
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    Re: Is Speaker Boehner backing off Obamacare demands

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    There could be some sanity behind all the madness. By keeping this going, he puts more and more pressure and blame on the Tea Party. So when push comes to shove... the Tea Party will be blamed for any bad will concerning the shutdown, and he and the more "normal" members of the GOP can distance themselves from the Tea Party and get out from under their death grip.

    The Tea Party is the single biggest problem with the GOP after the religious right. It has cost the GOP power in the Senate and it cost them seats in the house last election and will cost them seats next election. There is only so much gerrymandering of districts that can be done to make up for seats lost because of Tea Party wackos.
    The Tea Party will be blamed by Obama supporters no matter what. I don't think we're all that concerned about what a bunch of selfish idiots think of us. The goal is to stop the spending and expanding government. The petulant children, including Obama and Reid can go cry to someone who cares. They have jumped the shark. This about the good of the country, not the gimme idiots. You know how we know the tactic is working? The libs are getting louder in their claims of victory and the media is running more editorials about Republicans caving. But if you ask the Republicans you find the claims are unsubstantiated. The lies on the left have been going on for so long they are now lying to themselves and believing it. The biggest risk for the Republicans was to risk Obama shutting the government down to begin with. Once that point passed they might as well get the most mileage they can from it. In the mean time Obama and Reid are looking foolish, Obama is looking like a whiny child, and more and more government waste is being exposed. Meanwhile we're over a week in and the only direct effect I've seen yet is a postponed class I was scheduled for thru FEMA. BFD. The Republicans have more to lose at this point caving than staying the course.
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    Re: Is Speaker Boehner backing off Obamacare demands

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    The Tea Party will are being blamed by Obama supporters. I don't think we're all that concerned about what a bunch of selfish idiots think of us. The goal is to stop the spending and expanding government.
    And that is where you as a Tea Party fanboy fail. Why? Because your elected officials dont do what they preach, which means they and the Tea Party look exactly like every other hypocrite politician. And it started on day one in 2010, when one of the first questions asked by a newly elected Tea Party
    member in the House orientation was... "when am I going to get my healthcare?". You mean your government funded healthcare you hate?

    The petulant children, including Obama and Reid can go cry to someone who cares. They have jumped the shark. This about the good of the country, not the gimme idiots. You know how we know the tactic is working? The libs are getting louder in their claims of victory and the media is running more editorials about Republicans caving. But if you ask the Republicans you find the claims are unsubstantiated. The lies on the left have been going on for so long they are now lying to themselves and believing it. The biggest risk for the Republicans was to risk Obama shutting the government down to begin with. Once that point passed they might as well get the most mileage they can from it. In the mean time Obama and Reid are looking foolish, Obama is looking like a whiny child, and more and more government waste is being exposed. Meanwhile we're over a week in and the only direct effect I've seen yet is a postponed class I was scheduled for thru FEMA. BFD. The Republicans have more to lose at this point caving than staying the course.
    And it is this attitude that ultimately will doom the Tea Party. Politics has always been done with compromise.. the Tea Party does not want to compromise and that makes them a problem.

    I understand the idea of less government spending and I support it. Problem is that, this is not what the Tea Party of 2013 is about.. it is about power and forcing the majority of people to do their will on issues that they cant even themselves live up to the ideals of the Tea Party.

    The very fact that Reagan would have been a RINO according to the Tea Party, clearly shows how radical and out of touch the Tea Party is.

    The very fact that the anti-government Tea Party elected officials have gobbled up billions in pork for their districts.. something that the Tea Party is against.. or/and gotten government subsidies.. something the Tea Party also is against... shows a massive disconnect between what the Tea Party says and does.

    And finally the fact that the Tea Party members say that they want to cut things like SS, Medicare and so on.. but when you ask them to personally have their benefits cut or access cut ... then they are against it all of a sudden.
    PeteEU

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