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    Re: US adults are dumber than the average human

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Interesting. Most of those that I know with college degrees are liberals. They are the one's who took education seriously, seeing it as a means to an end... the end result of being successful. Conservatives I know, however, failed to realize this, seeing college and education as a waste of time, looking down on those who choose to do so. "Strong" people could work hard and succeed without education. The absurdity of this statement... less education is better is always overlooked because of their dogmatism.

    See? When you post like a hack, Erod, making your points look as idiotic as they are is really quite easy.
    Frankly I think that this country lacks a strong apprenticeship program for the trades. I think it is spotty some places good and some bad, some trades with more formal training others more dependent on OTJ training. I also don't think education works with industry as closely as they should, integrating the needs and feedback of industry as well as they should into the curriculum. While people should study whatever they please, I think it's a disservice to citizens if schools and counselors (especially) don't explain the realities of life and what industry needs are when assisting students in career choices. Getting a degree in dance is all well and good, but I think students should make that an educated choice, understanding the career outlook consequences of that over other professions.

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    Re: US adults are dumber than the average human

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    US adults are dumber than the average human | New York Post



    Not coincidentally, liberals now outnumber conservatives and are winning more and more elections without any intellectual merit to their platform whatsoever. Campaign strategies have to be designed at a third-grade level these days.

    Dark, scary days ahead with this worthless, brainless voting bloc running things.
    Sad, sad, sad. On the other hand, over investment in education is a costly waste.

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    Re: US adults are dumber than the average human

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    So you feel that American children are doomed to be stupid? Why not watch this instead.Stupid in America - YouTube

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    Re: US adults are dumber than the average human

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps its good to compare educational standards over the years to see how much progress is being made, if any.

    snopes.com: 1895 Exam
    The test is terrible.

    I'll take just the math:
    1). Which type? Presburger Arithmetic? Peano Arithmetic?
    2). Bushels? Feet? Stupid. 48.21 Bushels. But that's still wrong because the angle of repose for wheat is 45 degrees which means you could actually fit slightly more than 70 bushels..
    3). What type of wheat? How old is it? What condition is it in? The density of wheat varies by as much as 8%.
    4). What percentage of people will actually pay the tax? A: at least 1.04%

    I could go on but i'm bored.

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    Re: US adults are dumber than the average human

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps its good to compare educational standards over the years to see how much progress is being made, if any.

    snopes.com: 1895 Exam
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    To pass this test, no knowledge of the arts is necessary (not even a nodding familiarity with a few of the greatest works of English literature), no demonstration of mathematical learning other than plain arithmetic is required (forget algebra, geometry, or trigonometry), nothing beyond a familiarity with the highlights of American history is needed (never mind the fundamentals of world history, as this exam scarcely acknowledges that any country other than the USA even exists), no questions about the history, structure, or function of the United States government are asked (not even the standard "Name the three branches of our federal government"), science is given a pass except for a few questions about geography and the rudiments of human anatomy, and no competence in any foreign language (living or dead) is necessary. An exam for today's high school graduates that omitted even one of these subjects would be loudly condemned by parents and educators alike, subjects about which the Salina, Kansas, students of 1895 needed know nothing at all. Would it be fair to say that the average Salina student was woefully undereducated because he failed to learn many of the things that we consider important today, but which were of little importance in his time and place? If not, then why do people keep asserting that the reverse is true? Why do journalists continue to base their gleeful articles about how much more was expected of the students of yesteryear on flawed assumptions? Perhaps some people are too intent upon making a point to bother considering the proper questions.
    It really comes down to preparing students for their lives; The education of 1895 would have prepared you for the life of 1895. I've been a professional Math tutor for years, and work closely with College Professors; the vast majority of people coming in to college are absolute morons. But, it's simply not a matter of the educational standards; I've worked with every major test and standardized exam for pre-algebra through to calculus, and they aren't "easy". If you can pass those tests, you should be able to do well in college. I think the "they're all morons" issue is more to do with people being pressured to get a degree, when they'd normally have no interest in higher learning. It saturates the market with people that did the absolute bare minimum to pass their classes, and had no real desire to excel. It's not a problem with education, it's a problem with society's view of education. A college degree is being misused as a prerequisite for employment, in jobs that really don't need one.

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    Re: US adults are dumber than the average human

    Quote Originally Posted by douglas View Post
    It really comes down to preparing students for their lives; The education of 1895 would have prepared you for the life of 1895. I've been a professional Math tutor for years, and work closely with College Professors; the vast majority of people coming in to college are absolute morons. But, it's simply not a matter of the educational standards; I've worked with every major test and standardized exam for pre-algebra through to calculus, and they aren't "easy". If you can pass those tests, you should be able to do well in college. I think the "they're all morons" issue is more to do with people being pressured to get a degree, when they'd normally have no interest in higher learning. It saturates the market with people that did the absolute bare minimum to pass their classes, and had no real desire to excel. It's not a problem with education, it's a problem with society's view of education. A college degree is being misused as a prerequisite for employment, in jobs that really don't need one.
    Perhaps there is some mis-education going on then. Instead of having all children learn the same things we should recognize their differences after a six or eight grades and have them continue on in academic areas where they excel. Human beings tend to enjoy things they are good at and, with students being no different, the drop out rate might be lower if students concentrated on the 2, 3 or 4 subjects they are good at.

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    Re: US adults are dumber than the average human

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Where are Democrats trying to find more ways to improve it?

    Barack Obama & the DC School Voucher Program - YouTube If they educate young people they will eventually lose their constituency. Obama and the rest know that.



    Are you 'of the right'?
    You realize there are more ways to improve schools than vouchers, and the effectiveness of voucher programs to improve schools is debatable?
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    Re: US adults are dumber than the average human

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    You realize there are more ways to improve schools than vouchers, and the effectiveness of voucher programs to improve schools is debatable?
    Yes, there are more ways, and experiences in other countries often point the way.

    Perhaps vouchers schools are debatable but the lack of success in public schools isn't.

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    Re: US adults are dumber than the average human

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Interesting. Most of those that I know with college degrees are liberals. They are the one's who took education seriously, seeing it as a means to an end... the end result of being successful. Conservatives I know, however, failed to realize this, seeing college and education as a waste of time, looking down on those who choose to do so. "Strong" people could work hard and succeed without education. The absurdity of this statement... less education is better is always overlooked because of their dogmatism.

    See? When you post like a hack, Erod, making your points look as idiotic as they are is really quite easy.
    The difference being, mine were posted with sincerity and truthfulness, while yours was an exercise in fantasy and deception.

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    Re: US adults are dumber than the average human

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Actually, the problem of education is a bipartisan one. Both parties continue to ignore actual research on effective education policies and continue to push ineffective education policies that are supported by many of their donors. Those donors tend to be business people and corporations who have MUCH more money than academics, teachers and others who know what to actually do to improve our system.
    Utter nonsense. Why would a corporation take interest in promoting ineffective education policies? You act like the people who run businesses are a bunch of Nazis trying to cull the population.

    The way to improve the system is simply to get parents and students to give a crap. You can't teach those that don't want to be taught, or have no one to answer to if they don't learn.

    Kids from good families learn. Those that don't, don't. Education comes from the home, not by dumping money on it from politicians claiming that will solve the problem.

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