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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    They were unstable. They were built by fraud . . . by giant ponzi schemes made legal by deregulation. I can prove that they were unstable by the fact that the whole economy collapsed as a result. They were stellar. They were the lipstick on the pig.
    yes, your opinion noted, interesting how the economic numbers between 2001-2007 in all areas don't support your position but then again the economic numbers today don't support your position either.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I'm sure somebody could do it. It would take a little bit of figuring. You would have to measure a 1980 dollar against a 2013 dollar. It would be a pretty simple calculation but it would have to be repeated many times. It might be more work than someone would be willing to put into just to make a point to people in a forum. After the work was all completed nobody would change their mind except the person doing the calculation.

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    Believe it or not I have done it and it doesn't look good for Obama even doing that

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    A 1988 dollar is equivalent to $1.98 in 2013.

    That means Reagan's increase in debt would be equivalent to $3,335,000,000,000. You are right. Reagan did a swell job standing behind his conservative principles after all. I stand corrected.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't know how many times I have to dispel this bs on the part of liberals even though none of it makes a difference today. CBO makes projections, the Treasury Dept spends the money. Barack Obama with his spending that I outlined and you ignored made the CBO projections more accurate knowing that people like you would buy the rhetoric and blame Bush. I suggest you figure out how Bush created that spending after leaving office.

    I really suggest that you get some help with reading comprehension. I stated the facts, I never blamed Clinton for anything, the recession was due to the Clinton economic policies and budget plan which he did sign and authorize. I blame Obama for the results generated during his term just like I blame Bush for the numbers he had during his term. I am not sure what you are trying to prove but what you are proving is that you are a partisan hack looking for a fight. My discussion was regarding the GOP losing the Congress in 2006 and the economic results from January 2001 to November 2006. The numbers I posted are accurate, you simply aren't smart enough to understand them or even respond to them.

    I know you are glad that the President can spend whatever he wants because from what I see from you, you need big govt. as you will never be able to compete in a free market. This the education you are getting in school?


    Don't worry, I will continue to make you look foolish even though you won't understand it.
    This may make your brain hurt so I'll go slow. I'm not even sure why I'm doing this because you are unlikey to actually read it.

    CBO's job is to look at the current law and project what the law will cost. So, in 2009 the CBO sat down and said. We expect that result of the policies in place now will generate a 1.2 Trillion dollar deficit. That is the very definition of inhereted. Not that facts matter to you.

    I still don't get it. I'd be pretty ashamed if I was caught saying that Bush's recession was Clintons fault but Obama's first deficit was 100% his. Do you even care about being right? I guess that's the difference between us. I strive to be pragmatic, intellecutally honest, and follow the truth wherever it may lead. You spout whatever some tea party talk show host told you to spout.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    I wondered how the generic congressional vote has been effected by the shutdown, so I checked RCP which has an average of 4 polls concerning which party you want to control congress. Here is what I found.
    Before the shut down 42.5 democrat 39.5 republican democrats plus 3
    After the shutdown, today, the generic congressional poll stood at 46.8 democrat, 41.3 republican democrats plus 5.5

    My question is if the Republicans took such a beating, how did their number improve by 1.8 points? Sure the Democrats number improved by 4.3 points, but the republican number didn't drop which amazes me. Especially since all the talking heads, media, ect. keep talking about the GOP being blown away.

    Why? Could it be that the American People actually like for their representatives in Washington to dig in their heels and fight for their ideals? I'm baffled.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I wondered how the generic congressional vote has been effected by the shutdown, so I checked RCP which has an average of 4 polls concerning which party you want to control congress. Here is what I found.
    Before the shut down 42.5 democrat 39.5 republican democrats plus 3
    After the shutdown, today, the generic congressional poll stood at 46.8 democrat, 41.3 republican democrats plus 5.5

    My question is if the Republicans took such a beating, how did their number improve by 1.8 points? Sure the Democrats number improved by 4.3 points, but the republican number didn't drop which amazes me. Especially since all the talking heads, media, ect. keep talking about the GOP being blown away.

    Why? Could it be that the American People actually like for their representatives in Washington to dig in their heels and fight for their ideals? I'm baffled.
    That's an odd conclusion

    Those representatives gave in and compromised, their #'s go up, and you see that as a sign that people wanted them to dig in their heels and keep fighting?

    Did I read that right?
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's an odd conclusion

    Those representatives gave in and compromised, their #'s go up, and you see that as a sign that people wanted them to dig in their heels and keep fighting?

    Did I read that right?
    My first impulse is to say no, but I am not sure. I just don't understand their number going up even if the Dem number went up 3 times more. I remember someone telling me when I question the wiseness of the shutdown, he said 47% of the people voted for Romney and they, the GOP is just doing what their constutients want them to do. I don't know. Their number rising baffles me and I was looking for an explanation. Usually numbers coincide with simular subjects with other polls, these don't and it being an average of 4 polls, I think they the average is fairly acurate. But the Republicans or the people who affiliate with that party dropped, more people blame the republicans for the shut down, but they rose in these polls abet the Dems rose much more.

    I don't know, what is your take? Perhaps it is just one of these things that can't be explained and I am reading too much into it.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    My first impulse is to say no, but I am not sure. I just don't understand their number going up even if the Dem number went up 3 times more. I remember someone telling me when I question the wiseness of the shutdown, he said 47% of the people voted for Romney and they, the GOP is just doing what their constutients want them to do. I don't know. Their number rising baffles me and I was looking for an explanation. Usually numbers coincide with simular subjects with other polls, these don't and it being an average of 4 polls, I think they the average is fairly acurate. But the Republicans or the people who affiliate with that party dropped, more people blame the republicans for the shut down, but they rose in these polls abet the Dems rose much more.

    I don't know, what is your take? Perhaps it is just one of these things that can't be explained and I am reading too much into it.
    I think it's the latter. You're reading too much into it

    Most people don't really think things through the way we do. They're just relieved that the "crisis" has ended, and their relief shows up as slightly improved approval of their respective representatives

    At least, that's my take
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I think it's the latter. You're reading too much into it

    Most people don't really think things through the way we do. They're just relieved that the "crisis" has ended, and their relief shows up as slightly improved approval of their respective representatives

    At least, that's my take
    That is possible. I thank you.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    A 1988 dollar is equivalent to $1.98 in 2013.

    That means Reagan's increase in debt would be equivalent to $3,335,000,000,000. You are right. Reagan did a swell job standing behind his conservative principles after all. I stand corrected.

    vasuderatorrent
    I know you are being facetious but considering the circumstances and the events of the day, he did indeed do a great job especially his first term. His second, not so much but because of the conditions he inherited it was his leadership that generated the 7% GDP Growth, millions of jobs created, and the peace dividend that was left for future Presidents, a dividend that was squandered. I grew up during that period of time and know what the misery index was then, the moral in the country, and the challenges that we all faced. Thanks to Reagan he fulfilled his conservative principles by promoting the greatness of America and while doing so destroyed the Soviet Union. Sorry you don't see it that way

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