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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Oh I'm sure there were a lot of people who didn't like GWB (especially the second time around) who voted for him nevertheless because they disliked Kerry even more. You, however, are not one of those people. It is abundantly clear that you voted for him for other reasons.
    Only 30% of Bush voters were voting against Kerry rather than for Bush CNN.com Election 2004

    In retrospect, of course, they were all voting against Kerry, not for Bush. I bet if you look through the archives, you'll find rightwiners complaining that Democrats are all negative and are only voting against Bush because they can't find a candidate they like.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I asked you to point out the bad stuff that led to a Democrat takeover of Congress in the 2006 elections. Seems that liberals want to hold Bush totally accountable for 2008 and ignore the fact that he was in office through the Clinton recession, 9/11, and a strong economy and job creation from 2003-2006 yet lost the election in 2006. I want a liberal to explain it.
    So basically Bush isn't responsible for anything that happened while he was President?
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    LOL, you are probably right but Reagan actually tripled the debt taking it from 900 billion to 2.6 trillion or a 1.7 trillion increase. Obama did a lot better taking it from 10.6 trillion to 17 trillion because the percentage change is so much better. That is liberal logic. Doesn't matter that the debt service on 1.7 trillion isn't even close to the debt service on 6.4 trillion. The issue is what Reagan generated and what Obama generated in percentage change, Reagan Bad, Obama good.
    Reagan is a picture perfect representation of today's conservative. Low taxes, low taxes, low taxes and there is one more thing. Oh yeah. Low taxes. Obama doesn't support low taxes. Let's see if he beats President Reagan's 286% increase of the national debt. I bet he won't even come close.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    National debt 9/30/1980 $907,701,000,000.00
    National debt 9/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16 That is a 286% increase in the national debt.

    National debt 9/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
    National Debt 9/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86 That is a 39.6% increase in the national debt.

    National Debt 9/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
    National Debt 9/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49 That is a 76.6% increase in the national debt.

    National Debt 9/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49
    National Debt 9/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89 That is a 60.2% increase in the national debt.

    Obama still has 3 years to go. Can he beat Ronald Reagan's record of increasing the debt by 286%? On a side note: Was Reagan the most conservative president of all time?

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    source http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...ebt_histo5.htm

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Only 30% of Bush voters were voting against Kerry rather than for Bush CNN.com Election 2004

    In retrospect, of course, they were all voting against Kerry, not for Bush. I bet if you look through the archives, you'll find rightwiners complaining that Democrats are all negative and are only voting against Bush because they can't find a candidate they like.



    So basically Bush isn't responsible for anything that happened while he was President?
    That's what you got out of that statement of mine? Interesting and wrong. Bush is responsible for the numbers generated from the moment he took office until January 21, 2009. I would like to know however when the current economy becomes Obama's responsibility? You want to try and explain the economic condition that led to the 2006 Democrat take over of Congress? Do you think the Democrats had any responsibility for the results from 2007-2009? Is it possible that the Democrats were more interested in regaining the WH than doing their job when they took over in 2007? Just asking

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    National debt 9/30/1980 $907,701,000,000.00
    National debt 9/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16 That is a 286% increase in the national debt.

    National debt 9/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
    National Debt 9/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86 That is a 39.6% increase in the national debt.

    National Debt 9/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
    National Debt 9/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49 That is a 76.6% increase in the national debt.

    National Debt 9/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49
    National Debt 9/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89 That is a 60.2% increase in the national debt.

    Obama still has 3 years to go. Can he beat Ronald Reagan's record of increasing the debt by 286%? On a side note: Was Reagan the most conservative president of all time?

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    source Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2012
    What, NO CBO NUMBERS? Congratulations, great job, finally someone who understands that the Treasury numbers are what is important. Now I hope someone can explain to me why an increase in the debt 6.4 trillion, by the way fiscal year 2013 ended last month, is better than the 1.7 trillion debt Reagan generated?

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What, NO CBO NUMBERS? Congratulations, great job, finally someone who understands that the Treasury numbers are what is important. Now I hope someone can explain to me why an increase in the debt 6.4 trillion, by the way fiscal year 2013 ended last month, is better than the 1.7 trillion debt Reagan generated?
    I'm sure somebody could do it. It would take a little bit of figuring. You would have to measure a 1980 dollar against a 2013 dollar. It would be a pretty simple calculation but it would have to be repeated many times. It might be more work than someone would be willing to put into just to make a point to people in a forum. After the work was all completed nobody would change their mind except the person doing the calculation.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    by the way fiscal year 2013 ended last month
    Good luck finding that data.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Its good to see more people in the U.S. "get it" than don't. Perhaps this is an indication the tide is turning in the U.S. against conservative extremism.

    Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game - ABC News

    At this point I'm pretty puzzled. You really have to question the logic behind the GOP's behavior. They're taking damage all for nothing. What could they possibly get out of this? The only positive I see so far is they have riled up their ever shrinking base of extremists, everyone else is shaking their head. Obama can't negotiate anything or else he'd be legitimizing the GOP's hostage tactics, it would be a terrible blunder.

    The only possible outcome I see is for Boehner to throw in the towel and for the GOP to walk away in shame. Should be interesting to see how this plays out. I fear something nasty and unexpected is going to happen.
    you seam to forget the upcoming 2014 elections are not a national election the are elections in districts and states it doesn't make a dam what the whole of the country thinks it is what the voters in those districts and states think
    if you break it down the republicans need 6 seats to take over the senate you have 7 seats available in states that Romney won

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That wasn't the discussion or the challenge created. The issue was the Democrats taking control of Congress in 2006. What I posted were the economic results that showed there was no economic justification for that take over by the Democrats. The economic numbers for January 2001 to November 2006 were stellar.
    They were unstable. They were built by fraud . . . by giant ponzi schemes made legal by deregulation. I can prove that they were unstable by the fact that the whole economy collapsed as a result. They were stellar. They were the lipstick on the pig.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Good luck finding that data.

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