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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Challenge? I AGREED WITH YOU!

    Aside from the bad stuff, it was All Good!
    I asked you to point out the bad stuff that led to a Democrat takeover of Congress in the 2006 elections. Seems that liberals want to hold Bush totally accountable for 2008 and ignore the fact that he was in office through the Clinton recession, 9/11, and a strong economy and job creation from 2003-2006 yet lost the election in 2006. I want a liberal to explain it.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Here's a quick quiz... out of Obama, Hitler, and Stalin... Which did not do this?

    As the leader, declare that certain laws would no longer be enforced?
    ... decide that some groups would get special treatment and also not have some laws apply to them.
    ... use the power of government to persecute certain groups that he considered enemies.
    ... bypass other parts of government and grab more power to do what he wants to do, despite laws that prohibit that behavior.

    I can add more, but by now, you've probably figured out that it is a trick question!
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I love how you start off the paragraph stating that you don't speak for independents......and then continue to speak for them (well apparently "not all" just excepting "a few"!). You see, I think you missed your point.....you don't speak for them....not even in the casual self denying manner you continue doing.

    And this self denied but continuing "I don't speak for all independents, but here is what they think" delusion continues...amazing!

    Oh yes...I understand that your delusional belief that you have the pulse of independents in the US continues unabated, without seeing any of it hypocrisy or irony.

    Not only that, but the 2 points I made, that you completely glossed over your statistical misrepresentations (177%!!!) and you failed to address how the POTUS is supposedly "messing with the lives of independents"....by fighting for HI access....which I am sure a number of them want and need....but then perhaps I am in error to speak....for that minority.

    Sigh, carry on. You talk a lot....I just hoped you were going to say something.
    I have made it a habit of studying independents for the last 20 plus years. After all we all know how Republicans and Democrats will vote whose side of an issue they will take. Now indpendents can be all over the place and they switch sides, going from one party to the other and sometimes back again. For a lot of my information I rely on polls, there is a ton of information insides these polls if one is brave enough to do a little research. But as I said that is my hobby.

    On the ACA, RCP has the average of 6 polls and you can check it out, it is 38.3 in favor, 48.8 against. But this is for all Americans, Republicans, Democrats and Independents. SO how do independents really feel about the ACA, I went inside the polls so kindly provided by RCP,. They hold a wealth of information if one is politically inclined and doesn't just take what the RNC or the DNC as gospel. Here are 3 questions and answers in one of those polls about the ACA broken down by party plus Independents.

    Health care: Do you approve or disapprove of the job Barack Obama is doing on this issue?
    Approve Dem 79% Rep 12% Ind 36%
    Disapprove Dem 18% Rep 85% Ind 57%
    Don't know Dem 3% Rep 3% Ind 7%

    Which one of the following comes closest to what you would like to see lawmakers do with the new health care law -- would you like lawmakers to repeal the law entirely, repeal parts of the law, expand the law, or leave it as is?
    Repeal it entirely Dem 8% Rep 53% Ind 30%
    Repeal parts of the law Den 20% Rep 26% Ind 30%
    Expand it Dem 24% Rep 6% Ind 16%
    Leave it as is Dem 45% Rep 11% Ind
    (Don't know) Dem 4% Rep 4% Ind7%


    Which do you think would be better for you and your family -- the new health care system or the system that was in place before the new health care law?
    The new health care system Dem 60% Rep 12% Ind 34%
    System that was in place Dem 27% Rep 80% Ind 48%
    (Don't know) Dem 13% Rep 8% Ind 18%

    Now you can look at the number and I am pretty sure you can decide how independents view the ACA as of the date of the poll which was 7 Oct 2013.

    Now there are around 40 questions they asked concerning who is to blame for the shut down, Presidents Obama approval rating, how do you view Boehner, Cruz, Reid, both political parties, even on baseball and football. So I look at the inside of these polls and I can be fairly certain to with a plus or minus of 3 points, the polls error margin on how independents view all these different subject. You can or could do the same instead of just spouting opinions. Rack me over the coals if that makes you feel good, I don't mind. But I do know in my mind that be researching and going inside all these different polls one can get a pretty good feel as to where independents stand on any given subject. Being there are six such polls, I feel confident in saying the majority of independents are against the ACA as you can easily see or perhaps determine from the polling results.

    Yes all 177% of me.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Watching FOX by-lines on mute--
    Are they cheering for the failure of ACA--
    Imagine the many millions being spent to obstruct the law being used the 'American' way--
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I have made it a habit of studying independents for the last 20 plus years.
    Well there you go, apparently you do speak for them, except for those you dont speak for....


    Health care: Do you approve or disapprove of the job Barack Obama is doing on this issue?
    Approve Dem 79% Rep 12% Ind 36%
    Disapprove Dem 18% Rep 85% Ind 57%
    Don't know Dem 3% Rep 3% Ind 7%

    Which one of the following comes closest to what you would like to see lawmakers do with the new health care law -- would you like lawmakers to repeal the law entirely, repeal parts of the law, expand the law, or leave it as is?
    Repeal it entirely Dem 8% Rep 53% Ind 30%
    Repeal parts of the law Den 20% Rep 26% Ind 30%
    Expand it Dem 24% Rep 6% Ind 16%
    Leave it as is Dem 45% Rep 11% Ind
    (Don't know) Dem 4% Rep 4% Ind7%


    Which do you think would be better for you and your family -- the new health care system or the system that was in place before the new health care law?
    The new health care system Dem 60% Rep 12% Ind 34%
    System that was in place Dem 27% Rep 80% Ind 48%
    (Don't know) Dem 13% Rep 8% Ind 18%

    Now you can look at the number and I am pretty sure you can decide how independents view the ACA as of the date of the poll which was 7 Oct 2013.

    Yes all 177% of me.
    I am still waiting for your explanation of the 177% you posted earlier....these are your words:

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    A CNN/ORC poll of independents and independents only showed 60% angry at the Republican Congress, 59% angry at the Democrats in congress and 58% angry at President Obama.
    You are still glossing over the misrepresentation of the data, you cannot have 177%.

    Try again.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Watching FOX by-lines on mute--
    Are they cheering for the failure of ACA--
    Imagine the many millions being spent to obstruct the law being used the 'American' way--
    Now how dare the Representatives of the people obstruct a law that 38% of the people support!! The question should be why are taxpayer dollars being spent on a social program that most of the country doesn't want?

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Forbes, H. Cain, and now 8th-grade teacher's profanity-laced tape--blocked out her face, but easy to show it is Black..rare insight from FOX..
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Now how dare the Representatives of the people obstruct a law that 38% of the people support!!
    good move by me today to mute and watch FOX, so I see where you get your stuff..but wait, you don't watch FOX..get up earlier for Lush??
    The question should be why are taxpayer dollars being spent on a social program that most of the country doesn't want?
    Why should tax dollars be spent on anything, right ?
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Forbes, H. Cain, and now 8th-grade teacher's profanity-laced tape--blocked out her face, but easy to show it is Black..rare insight from FOX..good move by me today to mute and watch FOX, so I see where you get your stuff..but wait, you don't watch FOX..get up earlier for Lush??Why should tax dollars be spent on anything, right ?
    Federal Social spending isn't the role of the Federal Govt. but it is in the liberal world where we have a massive central govt. providing for everything people like you need and want

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Well there you go, apparently you do speak for them, except for those you dont speak for....


    I am still waiting for your explanation of the 177% you posted earlier....these are your words:

    You are still glossing over the misrepresentation of the data, you cannot have 177%.

    Try again.
    Oh I see, okay somehow my fingers typed faster than my mind. I actually thought you were for real but you are fixated on a typo. I agree you cannot have 177% where ever I typed that, Happy? But that does not take away from my main point, if one follows the polls and looks inside them one can find out how the majority of Republicans, Democrats and Independents feel about a certain subject. All I can do is point out the independent view, you can do with it what you like. But in denying it when the facts and figures are there, not only in one poll but six, seems like someone living in a fantasy world. Welcome to Disney Land my friend.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I asked you to point out the bad stuff that led to a Democrat takeover of Congress in the 2006 elections. Seems that liberals want to hold Bush totally accountable for 2008 and ignore the fact that he was in office through the Clinton recession, 9/11, and a strong economy and job creation from 2003-2006 yet lost the election in 2006. I want a liberal to explain it.
    Strong GOVERMENT job creation. Private sector job creation kind of sucked under Bush.

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