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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    Well, we could look at the list of accomplishments of liberals and then look at the list of accomplishments of conservatives and see who has made the greater contribution to the body politic.

    Lincoln was a 'liberal'; he ended slavery.

    Conservatives got us prohibition.

    Liberals got us laws that ban discrimination on the basis of sex, religion, race, or sexual preference

    Conservatives got us the Great Depression

    Liberals ended child exploitation

    Conservatives got us a downgrade of our sovereign debt

    I could go on...

    I think that conservatives serve a useful moderating role so that we don't rush off and do things just for the sake of doing them. But conservatism hardly ever provides benefit to society. BTW, by current standards, Reagan was a flaming liberal. He, for example, tripled the national debt and we had to raise the debt ceiling 17 times during his administration.
    You are absolutely correct, Reagan tripled the debt and gave us 17 million new taxpayers, doubled the GDP, created a peace dividend, and increased income tax revenue 60%. That 1.7 trillion dollar debt what less than 60% of GDP but you see those results don't matter to liberals. They prefer the 6.4 trillion, stagnant GDP growth, 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, and record numbers on food stamps but that is ok apparently because it keeps people dependent on liberals.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Ooooh, a Fox News op-ed. Color me unimpressed.
    Yeah, give me some more MSNBC with Rachael Maddow

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yeah, give me some more MSNBC with Rachael Maddow
    Go ahead and find one post where I've ever linked to MSNBC or Rachael Maddow. I don't watch MSNBC. Keep flailing about.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Senate Republicans don't mind losing Cruz and Lee from attending the Republican Policy lunch today..
    House Repubs will skin them alive if they don't filibuster for their 30 hours, taking us to the weekend.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Go ahead and find one post where I've ever linked to MSNBC or Rachael Maddow. I don't watch MSNBC. Keep flailing about.
    It wasn't you, it was someone else. There are others I am responding to on this thread. You seem to have a problem with Fox so tell me what sources do you find credible and what is it in the content of the Fox article that is wrong?

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It wasn't you, it was someone else. There are others I am responding to on this thread.
    Well then quote them next time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You seem to have a problem with Fox so tell me what sources do you find credible and what is it in the content of the Fox article that is wrong?
    I am not going to take a conservative op-ed at face value regarding why Barack Obama is an "amateur." I don't much care for what some asshat pundit has to say.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Well then quote them next time.



    I am not going to take a conservative op-ed at face value regarding why Barack Obama is an "amateur." I don't much care for what some asshat pundit has to say.
    That says it all, not surprising the messenger is the issue with you as you ignore the message. Provide me with the credible sources that you believe

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That says it all, not surprising the messenger is the issue with you as you ignore the message. Provide me with the credible sources that you believe
    Make me. Sorry pal, but I am not at your beck and call.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are absolutely correct, Reagan tripled the debt and gave us 17 million new taxpayers, doubled the GDP, created a peace dividend, and increased income tax revenue 60%. That 1.7 trillion dollar debt what less than 60% of GDP but you see those results don't matter to liberals. They prefer the 6.4 trillion, stagnant GDP growth, 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, and record numbers on food stamps but that is ok apparently because it keeps people dependent on liberals.
    My math seems to be different from yours
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    During Reagan's administration: the GDP went from $12.52T (calendar year 1981) to $20.4T (calendar year 1988). That seems a lot closer to 63% increase than a 100% increase. Not that 63% is a bad number (it's a great number) but it isn't 100%. Also, Clinton clocked a 54% increase in GDP and he didn't need to run a big deficit to do it. Hell, Carter (you remember the miserable Carter), the GDP went up by 37% in his one term. If he had been re-elected, he would have done better than Reagan.

    During the Reagan presidency, national debt as a percentage of GDP went from 32.9% to 52.6% not 60%. In other words, Reagan managed to grow the debt almost as fast as he grew the economy. Clinton, on the other hand, managed to get his 54% growth in GDP while cutting the debt as a percentage of GDP from 55.6% to 35.6%. So, if we want to go by record of economic accomplishment, Clinton did better than Reagan, by a considerable margin. Now, I might be a bit nave about such things but I REALLY don't think that anyone would call Clinton a conservative. Clinton did his best work after he managed to make the radical Republicans (in the form of Newt) back down on shutting down the government.

    Maybe Obama can stare down the TP fools and have the government get back to real business and do the things to improve the economy that the TP folks are willing to sacrifice at the alter of... crap, I don't know what they want other than for that damn black guy to fail.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    LOL. With the ways are reported to be in the House tonight, there's still plenty to negotiate or the Dems can keep on with their shutdown.
    Try as you might with your spin, you cannot take the blame away from those who actually crafted and caused the shut-down, the GOP....namely the teabagger faction. Most of America gets it, why not you?
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