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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Read the poll data, the blame is rising fairly evenly. GOP 7% rise, Democrats 5% rise. Well within the margin of error. Not surprising the President is remaining unscathed, the dude could sprout red horns and a spiked tail and 40% will still approve of him.
    And Jesus could come anoint Obama as his representative on Earth and 30% will still disapprove.

    There are people on both sides who refuse to have their opinions shaped by facts. Problem is, it is becoming a larger percentage of the populace. We can't have a functioning democracy if the majority of voters are ignorant and vote strictly along party lines.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    And Jesus could come anoint Obama as his representative on Earth and 30% will still disapprove.

    There are people on both sides who refuse to have their opinions shaped by facts. Problem is, it is becoming a larger percentage of the populace. We can't have a functioning democracy if the majority of voters are ignorant and vote strictly along party lines.
    Only in politics and with liberals do results not matter. The Obama results didn't warrant another four years and his results now are every bit as bad. Until the American people and many here stop with the partisan crap and look at results nothing is going to change

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Only in politics and with liberals do results not matter. The Obama results didn't warrant another four years and his results now are every bit as bad. Until the American people and many here stop with the partisan crap and look at results nothing is going to change
    Any time a poster says "Only with liberals, XXX" or "Only with conservatives, XXX," they are wrong.

    Your idea of "stop with the partisan crap" is "vote for the Republican."
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    That so many people show their partisanship and simply MUST blame the 'other side', rather than looking at the bigger picture (that it is BOTH sides that have lead us to this point, for DECADES), is exactly why we keep getting horrible government, and keep re-electing idiots that should have been put out to pasture decades ago. We are broke, and until the partisans wake the f up, the system will never be fixed.
    Are you trying to say that "we have seen the enemy and it is us" (Pogo)? I've seen many postings to the effect that we need to throw all the current incumbents out of office. Shows that they don't understand the issue. The issue is that WE elected these idiots. If we throw all the current crop out, then WE will just replace them with people who are just as screwed up plus they will have no experience.

    Honestly folks, we are the only solution. The first thing is not to elect people based on their party affiliation. Find out about the candidates and vote for the better one no matter what party they are in. This would prevent things like the TP disaster where TP activist are able to primary good people out of office and then get bad people elected because they have the right party affiliation. The same holds for radicals on either side. If someone is radical left or radical right DON'T VOTE FOR THEM no matter what party they are in. If you want a rational government, you must require that they behave rationally and not allow them to be irrational just because they are members of the 'correct' party.

    To repeat, this is OUR fault.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Any time a poster says "Only with liberals, XXX" or "Only with conservatives, XXX," they are wrong.

    Your idea of "stop with the partisan crap" is "vote for the Republican."
    No, I wouldn't have voted for a Republican with this record if there was a better Democrat alternative. Those of us who paid any attention to the Obama resume understood that he was unqualified in 2008 and hasn't learned a thing on the job. His record is a disaster and doesn't deserve support.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...-for-amateurs/

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, I wouldn't have voted for a Republican with this record if there was a better Democrat alternative. Those of us who paid any attention to the Obama resume understood that he was unqualified in 2008 and hasn't learned a thing on the job. His record is a disaster and doesn't deserve support.
    And he would have lost if the GOP had run a decent candidate. They didn't. Either time.

    EDIT: Or if the GOP's campaign apparatus wasn't total clown shoes.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    And he would have lost if the GOP had run a decent candidate. They didn't. Either time.

    EDIT: Or if the GOP's campaign apparatus wasn't total clown shoes.
    What ya got against clown shoes!

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    And he would have lost if the GOP had run a decent candidate. They didn't. Either time.

    EDIT: Or if the GOP's campaign apparatus wasn't total clown shoes.
    Neither did the Democrats so what we got was an empty suit, a Chicago Community agitator who has zero leadership skills.

    Obama's leadership proves presidency is no place for amateurs | Fox News

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Only in politics and with liberals do results not matter. The Obama results didn't warrant another four years and his results now are every bit as bad. Until the American people and many here stop with the partisan crap and look at results nothing is going to change
    Well, we could look at the list of accomplishments of liberals and then look at the list of accomplishments of conservatives and see who has made the greater contribution to the body politic.

    Lincoln was a 'liberal'; he ended slavery.

    Conservatives got us prohibition.

    Liberals got us laws that ban discrimination on the basis of sex, religion, race, or sexual preference

    Conservatives got us the Great Depression

    Liberals ended child exploitation

    Conservatives got us a downgrade of our sovereign debt

    I could go on...

    I think that conservatives serve a useful moderating role so that we don't rush off and do things just for the sake of doing them. But conservatism hardly ever provides benefit to society. BTW, by current standards, Reagan was a flaming liberal. He, for example, tripled the national debt and we had to raise the debt ceiling 18 times during his administration.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Neither did the Democrats so what we got was an empty suit, a Chicago Community agitator who has zero leadership skills.

    Obama's leadership proves presidency is no place for amateurs | Fox News
    Ooooh, a Fox News op-ed. Color me unimpressed.
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