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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So, next time the Democrats have the house, you're not going to complain when they demand carbon taxes, gun control, reinstatement of the VRA, etc, in "exchange for" continued payment of military pensions?
    Somehow, I doubt that.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So, next time the Democrats have the house, you're not going to complain when they demand carbon taxes, gun control, reinstatement of the VRA, etc, in "exchange for" continued payment of military pensions?
    Of course I will complain but it is within their right to do within the limits of controlling the purse strings. Maybe a civics class is something you ought to consider so you know what Congressional responsibilities are for each House

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Republicans are at their lowest point ever popularity wise. Democrats have fallen about half that as the GOP, but they have fallen also. But if this thing continues, no matter who is to blame and another recession occurs or god forbid a depression, one must keep in mind it is the president history will blame and remember. Everyone remember Hubert Hoover, Carter's recession and Bush's recession although officially over we still have not fully recovered. If whatever happens in congress causes us to fall back into another, it won't be congress, Boehner or Reid or anyone else, it will go into the history books as Obama's. That is just the way it is.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    " The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
    ~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

    How quick some forget.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    " The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
    ~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

    How quick some forget.
    And how quickly some forget what Republicans said at the time.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And how quickly some forget what Republicans said at the time.
    Why is what a Republican said so important to you when this Senator is now President? It is quite telling that every time this President does something that is disastrous the liberals and Obamabots always try to point to a Republican doing the same thing. Why would anyone who supports Obama try to justify his actions because of what you perceive a Republican did?

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why is what a Republican said so important to you when this Senator is now President? It is quite telling that every time this President does something that is disastrous the liberals and Obamabots always try to point to a Republican doing the same thing. Why would anyone who supports Obama try to justify his actions because of what you perceive a Republican did?
    The minority party always says raising the debt ceiling is bad. The majority party always says its necessary.

    I wasn't defending Obama's previous statements. I was pointing out that what Obama is saying now, various Republicans were saying then. It's the same ****, it just flops parties periodically.

    Who was justifying anything? Not me, certainly. You, on the other hand, don't seem to care what Republicans did in the past.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The minority party always says raising the debt ceiling is bad. The majority party always says its necessary.

    I wasn't defending Obama's previous statements. I was pointing out that what Obama is saying now, various Republicans were saying then. It's the same ****, it just flops parties periodically.

    Who was justifying anything? Not me, certainly. You, on the other hand, don't seem to care what Republicans did in the past.
    There is quite a difference between raising the debt ceiling when the current debt is over 100% of our yearly GDP than it was when it was 60%. In addition the results generated from the debt the past four years has been terrible. If you get a good return on debt then debt is more understandable. Liberals don't seem to understand that. Example, Reagan added 1.7 trillion to the debt and what did we get for it, 17 million jobs, doubling of GDP, 60% growth in Income tax revenue, and a peace dividend and the debt was still a very small percentage of GDP. I don't know about you but I would take those results any day.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There is quite a difference between raising the debt ceiling when the current debt is over 100% of our yearly GDP than it was when it was 60%. In addition the results generated from the debt the past four years has been terrible. If you get a good return on debt then debt is more understandable. Liberals don't seem to understand that. Example, Reagan added 1.7 trillion to the debt and what did we get for it, 17 million jobs, doubling of GDP, 60% growth in Income tax revenue, and a peace dividend and the debt was still a very small percentage of GDP. I don't know about you but I would take those results any day.
    Reagan started the problems that lead to the current mess. You're trying to compartmentalize different presidencies as if they don't have an effect on the future. It's absurd.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Reagan started the problems that lead to the current mess. You're trying to compartmentalize different presidencies as if they don't have an effect on the future. It's absurd.
    Your opinion noted but not one thing you posted refuted the results generated and those who attack Reagan and conservative results really are jealous of his performance and leadership skills. Talking about Reagan to a liberal is like putting a red cape in front of a bull. It really is a shame that people call Obama a leader because those of us who understand leadership skills know he has none

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