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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You're absolutely right..It also shows how oblivious you are to what happened this past week in Repub circles.. KOCH bros or Obama buying votes??didn't CU hide that for all concerned?
    being a good business person, I understand that results matter and the obsession with Koch ignores that Koch has absolutely nothing to do with the economic results Obama has generated.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    His 1st interest rate was close to a Half TRILLION--Thanks..
    So Obama had one month to clean up from the 2008 collapse..Should Obama have ignored the CBO numbers?
    So his initial interest was half a trillion, 500 billion? Where do you get that number. Eliminate all the interest on the debt and Obama still has trillion dollar deficits.

    Obama had his economic policy implemented in February 2009. we are into fiscal year 2014 and he still hasn't "cleaned up" his own mess.

    Obama didn't ignore the CBO numbers, he used them to his advantage creating the deficit that he knew would be blamed on Bush and people like you parrot

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Almost everything political in Washington D.C. all depends on which party holds the presidency. If you go back through history you will find the debt ceiling votes which is very unpopular to be raised by all members of congress, the party out of power almost always votes against it while the party in power votes for it. Here is an example of the senate vote in the senate during Bush.

    BUSH THE 2ND TENURE
    year Dem for Dem against Rep for Rep against
    2003 3 45 50 1
    2004 2 46 50 1
    2006 0 44 52 3

    The senate votes above reinforce your statement about republicans, but it also puts the democrats in the same boat. The Democrats are only for raising the debt ceiling if the president is of their own party, against it when a Republican holds the White House. Wars are the same way, when a republican is in office, democrats will vote against them, but when a democrat is in office, they are for them. Such is the nature of life in Washington.
    Fair enough points. I was only focusing on the birth of the Tea Party. They suddenly started lashing out against debt spending, and have themselves convinced they're lashing out on principle, not on party, but their silence for the previous 8 years proves otherwise. I don't so much mind their partisan hackery, it's just creepy that they seem to have themselves convinced that it's on principle. That kind of self-delusion is always unsettling to me.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Fair enough points. I was only focusing on the birth of the Tea Party. They suddenly started lashing out against debt spending, and have themselves convinced they're lashing out on principle, not on party, but their silence for the previous 8 years proves otherwise. I don't so much mind their partisan hackery, it's just creepy that they seem to have themselves convinced that it's on principle. That kind of self-delusion is always unsettling to me.
    The T.E.A. Party today stands for Taxed enough already and rose out of the massive deficits Obama has generated and his promotion of class warfare and envy. Demonizing individual wealth creation is nothing more than campaign rhetoric that divides the nation and Obama is good at doing just that.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Fair enough points. I was only focusing on the birth of the Tea Party. They suddenly started lashing out against debt spending, and have themselves convinced they're lashing out on principle, not on party, but their silence for the previous 8 years proves otherwise. I don't so much mind their partisan hackery, it's just creepy that they seem to have themselves convinced that it's on principle. That kind of self-delusion is always unsettling to me.
    With me, being a Perot backer and a member of the Reform Party, I felt sort of an affinity with the Tea Party folks when they first came upon the scene. You know, fiscal responsibility, call attention to the nation's debt ala perot. But they delved more into social issues and became worried about low taxes instead of fiscal responsibility, I no longer feel for them. Call them wolves in sheep's clothing.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Rationalize it any way you want, but "conservatives" were silent throughout the Reagan/Bush/Bush years while the debt was being piled high, and only woke up when a Democrat got into office. It's partisan bickering and nothing more.
    I did "rationalize" it the way I always want, that being with facts and the truth.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Fair enough points. I was only focusing on the birth of the Tea Party. They suddenly started lashing out against debt spending, and have themselves convinced they're lashing out on principle, not on party, but their silence for the previous 8 years proves otherwise. I don't so much mind their partisan hackery, it's just creepy that they seem to have themselves convinced that it's on principle. That kind of self-delusion is always unsettling to me.
    The TEA party ideas caught on after Bush signed the first TARP. The ideas have always been around with many (most?) but that's what got the big ball rolling. Then Obama came along and started spending like a drunk sailor in the closest cat house to the port, he made many people realize just how stupid the government was in spending productive peoples money. And how unproductive the government is/was.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The T.E.A. Party today stands for Taxed enough already and rose out of the massive deficits Obama has generated
    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Then Obama came along and started spending like a drunk sailor in the closest cat house to the port, he made many people realize just how stupid the government was in spending productive peoples money. And how unproductive the government is/was.
    Bull**** on it's face. It started 4 days after Obama took office, before he had any policies in place at all, and was composed almost completely out of the same people who were defending Dubya when he did all the same stuff they're bitching about, now. It was thought up, funded, created and propagated by Republican Party insiders, affiliates and financiers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    With me, being a Perot backer and a member of the Reform Party, I felt sort of an affinity with the Tea Party folks when they first came upon the scene. You know, fiscal responsibility, call attention to the nation's debt ala perot. But they delved more into social issues and became worried about low taxes instead of fiscal responsibility, I no longer feel for them. Call them wolves in sheep's clothing.
    Exactly. They talk about a lot. It's all nonsense, though. They're basically just a radical populist movement with no real aim except to hate Democrats. That's fine, I kind of hate Democrats a little, myself, but it's not the primary purpose and drive of my life, and the core of my self-identity.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Bull**** on it's face. It started 4 days after Obama took office, before he had any policies in place at all, and was composed almost completely out of the same people who were defending Dubya when he did all the same stuff they're bitching about, now. It was thought up, funded, created and propagated by Republican Party insiders, affiliates and financiers.
    Would that be the same republican party insiders that wish it would go away? You know, the same ones that have tried to undercut it anyway they can?

    People did not start hating wasteful government spending four days after Obama took office. That's gone on for years and years. But between Bush and the first TARP and everything Obama has done since, sure it's going to gain traction. That's why Obama was hell bent on having the IRS commit illegal acts in slowing it down. If Obama is really not happy with it maybe he should not have done the things he did. The near billion dollar non-stimulus is not something Bush did, Obamadon'tcare is not something that Bush did, rasing taxes is not something that Bush did and so on.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The T.E.A. Party today stands for Taxed enough already and rose out of the massive deficits Obama has generated and his promotion of class warfare and envy. Demonizing individual wealth creation is nothing more than campaign rhetoric that divides the nation and Obama is good at doing just that.
    This is either a bald-faced lie or complete, abject ignorance. Obama hadn't spent a goddamned red cent before the TEA party started up.
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