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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Dubya also doubled it. Reagan tripled it. I'm sure you were outraged. Especially since Dubya inherited a surplus to work with and chose to throw it away.

    The "surplus" lie continues. Never mind the facts or the truth or the bottom line, just keep repeating fiction to dummies and they will buy into it. LOL.



    "If a corporation executive were to engage in such deceit, the Commissioners of the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), who are supposed to promote full public disclosure and protect the investing public against malpractice in the securities markets, would intervene with severity; when a president of the United States and his appointees engage in similar practices, all his men fall silent.

    The surplus deception is clearly discernible in the statistics of national debt. While the spenders are boasting about surpluses, the national debt is rising year after year. In 1998, the first year of the legerdemain surplus, it rose from $5.413 trillion to $5.526 trillion, due to a deficit of $112.9 billion. Since then it has risen to $5.643 trillion today, October 15, 2000, with another deficit of $117 billion.

    The federal government spends Social Security money and other trust funds which constitute obligations to present and future recipients. It consumes them and thereby incurs obligations as binding as those to the owners of savings bonds. Yet, the Treasury treats them as revenue and hails them for generating surpluses. If a private banker were to treat trust fund deposits as income and profit, he would face criminal charges."
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    The "surplus" lie continues. Never mind the facts or the truth or the bottom line, just keep repeating fiction to dummies and they will buy into it. LOL.
    Rationalize it any way you want, but "conservatives" were silent throughout the Reagan/Bush/Bush years while the debt was being piled high, and only woke up when a Democrat got into office. It's partisan bickering and nothing more.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Whoever they are..LOL..Think progress didn't wipe the smirk off of cantor's face, the Koch brothers letter did that on Tuesday..
    Cantor was a different guy to the press on Wednesday after the WH 'conversation', stopping the market bleeding he had started last week..
    You didn't notice the Koch influence due to Citizens United.
    Your obsession with the Koch brothers shows how little respect you have for the individuals who actually vote and I also see that you ignored who was buying the most votes, the Koch Brothers or Obama?

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your obsession with the Koch brothers
    You can't talk about the Tea Party without talking about the Koch brothers. It's their Tea Party. They own it. They made it, and they haven't sold it. It's like complaining about people mentioning Bill Gates while talking about Microsoft.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Obama's 1st interest was close to 500 billion, which than came down to 400 billion..The interest on his inherited TAD INTEREST is over 2 trillion of 'his' total accumulated debt and is not on him..The deficit Obama inherited in his 1st budget is worth another trillion at least, and then there's more to take off with the inherited structural problems of the Bush budget..At least 45 straight months of private sector job growth have helped..Imagine the Nation with a 'loyal' opposition.

    Calling it a line budget item doesn't put it on Obama, and another bad blamoid.
    Obama's interest is assisted by record low interest rates as debt is serviced at short term interest rates. The debt service on the debt isn't 500 billion, 400 billion, it is about 225 billion thanks to the low rates we have today. Compare that to the interest rates in the 80's

    Interest expenses on the last five fiscal years

    Net Interest 222.5 227.1 196.9 190.9 252.8

    Obama didn't inherit a budget deficit, he inherited a budget proposal that was never passed or signed until the Democrats along with Obama did it in March 2009 . What you apparently will never understand is that CBO made deficit PROJECTION, Obama spending made that deficit a reality.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Rationalize it any way you want, but "conservatives" were silent throughout the Reagan/Bush/Bush years while the debt was being piled high, and only woke up when a Democrat got into office. It's partisan bickering and nothing more.
    You project a lot as if you know what ALL conservatives did. The reality is which you want to ignore is not one time during those so called excessive deficits did the debt ever exceed our yearly GDP like they are now. It was also easier accepting the 1.7 trillion dollar Reagan debt because of the great results he generated, 17 million jobs created, doubling of GDP, 60% growth in Federal Income Tax revenue, and a peace dividend left to GHW Bush and Clinton.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    You can't talk about the Tea Party without talking about the Koch brothers. It's their Tea Party. They own it. They made it, and they haven't sold it. It's like complaining about people mentioning Bill Gates while talking about Microsoft.
    Don't know why Koch Brothers is even an issue, it is the Obama policies that have generated the economic results that you want to ignore. Get out your liberal talking points on the Obama results so I can teach you a few things about those lies.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Rationalize it any way you want, but "conservatives" were silent throughout the Reagan/Bush/Bush years while the debt was being piled high, and only woke up when a Democrat got into office. It's partisan bickering and nothing more.
    Almost everything political in Washington D.C. all depends on which party holds the presidency. If you go back through history you will find the debt ceiling votes which is very unpopular to be raised by all members of congress, the party out of power almost always votes against it while the party in power votes for it. Here is an example of the senate vote in the senate during Bush.

    BUSH THE 2ND TENURE
    year Dem for Dem against Rep for Rep against
    2003 3 45 50 1
    2004 2 46 50 1
    2006 0 44 52 3

    The senate votes above reinforce your statement about republicans, but it also puts the democrats in the same boat. The Democrats are only for raising the debt ceiling if the president is of their own party, against it when a Republican holds the White House. Wars are the same way, when a republican is in office, democrats will vote against them, but when a democrat is in office, they are for them. Such is the nature of life in Washington.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your obsession with the Koch brothers shows how little respect you have for the individuals who actually vote
    You're absolutely right..It also shows how oblivious you are to what happened this past week in Repub circles..
    and I also see that you ignored who was buying the most votes, the Koch Brothers or Obama?
    KOCH bros or Obama buying votes??didn't CU hide that for all concerned?
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obama's interest is assisted by record low interest rates as debt is serviced at short term interest rates.
    His 1st interest rate was close to a Half TRILLION--Thanks..
    Obama didn't inherit a budget deficit
    So Obama had one month to clean up from the 2008 collapse..
    What you apparently will never understand is that CBO made deficit PROJECTION, Obama spending made that deficit a reality.
    Should Obama have ignored the CBO numbers?
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