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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm not greedy. I understand that the privileges and the freedoms that we have in this country are not free. I have no problem paying my fair share. I am fortunate enough to have been able to benefit from the resources that this country has offered me. I believe that it is my obligation to pay back into what has allowed me to get where I am today.

    With people like you it is always Me ME ME.....
    It's one thing to want to FREELY choose and share ones wealth with others less fortunate. It is altogether something else when a government forcefully takes from another to give to who they see should be the beneficiaries. It's a blatant attack on liberties. In fact your entire ideology is based on trampling the rights of many to cater to a few.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Facts get in the way of the liberal narative

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

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    I find it interesting that people like you do not seem to understand that people can have the same ideology and philosophy without listening to someone else to tell them what to think.
    Limbaughs arguments are irrational and based on faulty logic. The glue that holds them together isn't logic, it's very powerful appeals to emotion. His rationales for his positions are so disjointed and insane that it's not possible that millions of people all happened to come up with the exact same thinking, and only tuned in to Rush to hear someone agree with what they already thought, anyway. When you have millions of people who all think the same thing, and there is no rational basis for it, that can only be propaganda.

    The people who tune in are either too simple to notice the fallacies, or too dependent on the self-congratulating emotional appeal of the propaganda. They don't already "think" what Rush tells them, they already "feel" what Rush appeals to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    My suggestion is to stop blaming Limbaugh and others for Obama failures?
    I'm not blaming Limbaugh for Obama's failures. In fact, you're simply repeating Limbaugh by saying that. Obama's failures are Obama's to own. What I'm blaming Rush for is the army of mush-headed zombies out there repeating everything he says without the slightest bit of critical thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Stop thinking with your heart and use that brain God gave you.
    It's always hilarious when dittoheads and fox-fans say that. Their entire pitch is based on appeals to emotion.

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    Do you remember the 2011 debt ceiling debate? What was different then than now? Commitments were made then that haven't been fulfilled. What exactly has Obama done since that debate to lower spending and fulfill his commitment to that agreement? It is genuinely fascinating to watch the live for today liberals ignore the promises of yesterday.
    I consider Obama to be a disaster, and he's caused me to completely lose what little faith I had left in the Democratic Party. I see him as being little more than a better salesman than Dubya was, but still selling the same products. He's no less in the pocket of industry then the GOP is, he's no less opposed to the over-reaching of the Federal spy agencies tahn the GOP is, he's no less an employee of Wall St. than the GOP is, and he's no less dedicated to American corporate imperialism than the GOP is. He's just better at not looking like a retarded cowboy while he does it than the last guy was.

    That has nothing at all to do with the fascinating deftness with which Rush and the rest of the GOP's propaganda arm manipulate their soft-headed little drones.
    "All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell [the bible] teaches us how to run all our public policy and everything in society." Rep. Paul Broun (R)

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Limbaughs arguments are irrational and based on faulty logic. The glue that holds them together isn't logic, it's very powerful appeals to emotion. His rationales for his positions are so disjointed and insane that it's not possible that millions of people all happened to come up with the exact same thinking, and only tuned in to Rush to hear someone agree with what they already thought, anyway. When you have millions of people who all think the same thing, and there is no rational basis for it, that can only be propaganda.

    The people who tune in are either too simple to notice the fallacies, or too dependent on the self-congratulating emotional appeal of the propaganda. They don't already "think" what Rush tells them, they already "feel" what Rush appeals to.



    I'm not blaming Limbaugh for Obama's failures. In fact, you're simply repeating Limbaugh by saying that. Obama's failures are Obama's to own. What I'm blaming Rush for is the army of mush-headed zombies out there repeating everything he says without the slightest bit of critical thought.



    It's always hilarious when dittoheads and fox-fans say that. Their entire pitch is based on appeals to emotion.



    I consider Obama to be a disaster, and he's caused me to completely lose what little faith I had left in the Democratic Party. I see him as being little more than a better salesman than Dubya was, but still selling the same products. He's no less in the pocket of industry then the GOP is, he's no less opposed to the over-reaching of the Federal spy agencies tahn the GOP is, he's no less an employee of Wall St. than the GOP is, and he's no less dedicated to American corporate imperialism than the GOP is. He's just better at not looking like a retarded cowboy while he does it than the last guy was.

    That has nothing at all to do with the fascinating deftness with which Rush and the rest of the GOP's propaganda arm manipulate their soft-headed little drones.
    When an Obot has to whine about Limbaugh you know he's lost the argument

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Grendel;1062408027]Limbaughs arguments are irrational and based on faulty logic. The glue that holds them together isn't logic, it's very powerful appeals to emotion. His rationales for his positions are so disjointed and insane that it's not possible that millions of people all happened to come up with the exact same thinking, and only tuned in to Rush to hear someone agree with what they already thought, anyway. When you have millions of people who all think the same thing, and there is no rational basis for it, that can only be propaganda.
    That is your opinion. I would argue that liberalism is irrational in that it destroys incentive and creates dependence. What do you think claiming that Conservatives want to starve kids, kill seniors and pollute the air is if not emotional rhetoric. You just don't seem to get it. I survived 66 years in this world, 35 in the business world and not one did I care about what someone else makes or pays in taxes. I always believed in the concept of personal responsibility and neighbor helping neighbor. My bet is that I give more to charity than you make. Rational behavior is one of rewarding positive results and correcting the negative ones.

    The people who tune in are either too simple to notice the fallacies, or too dependent on the self-congratulating emotional appeal of the propaganda. They don't already "think" what Rush tells them, they already "feel" what Rush appeals to.
    Again, your opinion noted but who are you to define all those that listen to Limbaugh. Why is it that you and others like you judge everyone else on your perceptions and your own ideology. I know this is hard for you to understand but you just could be wrong and need to learn to accept that possibility.

    I'm not blaming Limbaugh for Obama's failures. In fact, you're simply repeating Limbaugh by saying that. Obama's failures are Obama's to own. What I'm blaming Rush for is the army of mush-headed zombies out there repeating everything he says without the slightest bit of critical thought.
    I already told you that I don't listen to Limbaugh so if I don't listen how could I be spouting what Limbaugh says? What is it about holding people accountable for results that you don't understand? What is it about expecting positive results out of all that debt that you don't understand?

    It's always hilarious when dittoheads and fox-fans say that. Their entire pitch is based on appeals to emotion.
    You think terms like dittoheads and fox-fans is a positive debate tactic?

    I consider Obama to be a disaster, and he's caused me to completely lose what little faith I had left in the Democratic Party. I see him as being little more than a better salesman than Dubya was, but still selling the same products. He's no less in the pocket of industry then the GOP is, he's no less opposed to the over-reaching of the Federal spy agencies tahn the GOP is, he's no less an employee of Wall St. than the GOP is, and he's no less dedicated to American corporate imperialism than the GOP is. He's just better at not looking like a retarded cowboy while he does it than the last guy was.

    That has nothing at all to do with the fascinating deftness with which Rush and the rest of the GOP's propaganda arm manipulate their soft-headed little drones.
    Good, so do I. I learned in the late 70's that liberalism had made a fool out of me. I learned to trust but verify and that individuals given the proper incentive and motivation can do almost the impossible. I saw that my hard earned money was being redistributed and that I could do what the govt. was doing at a lower cost and greater benefit. I grew up a JFK Democrat and have always been a Conservative. The Democratic Party left me.

    I call actual results not propaganda.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    But the deficit wasn't 650 billion because policies changed, predictions are great but reality are the results. Using CBO numbers as reality doesn't create a lot of credibility.
    The point is that government spending doesn't change overnight. Decisions made now can affect spending levels for decades. 650 Billion dollars of today's deficit was baked in to the system in 2003. But that was in the dark time, when deficits didn't matter.

    I left the GOP because I care about actual fiscal responsibility, not just lip service.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Only a liberal who really are the most selfish people in this country complain about what others have or what others pay in taxes. Why is it that liberals like you never complain when those evil rich people give record amounts to charities?

    You seem to be someone who wants to define fair share and that is the problem. You think it is fair for almost half the income earning families in this country to pay ZERO in net income taxes and then have politicians claiming that the half that do pay FIT aren't paying their fair share?

    When backed into a corner it is always diversion, distortion, and claims of ME ME ME. What allows people to get where they are today is initiative, drive, hard work, and dedication, lost arts in today's liberal world.
    Not at all. Even the tone of your response is still ME ME ME. And I have to laugh at your assertion that "liberals are the most selfish people in this country".....too funny. Initiate, drive, hard work and dedication are all important, but don't kid yourself, opportunity and ability also play a huge part as does access. There are a lot of people in this country that have gotten where they are due to hard work. There are a lot of people who are where they are because it was handed to them....and there are a lot of people that despite initiative, drive, hard work and dedication struggle every day because the opportuinity and access are not there. Don't kid yourself.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It's one thing to want to FREELY choose and share ones wealth with others less fortunate. It is altogether something else when a government forcefully takes from another to give to who they see should be the beneficiaries. It's a blatant attack on liberties. In fact your entire ideology is based on trampling the rights of many to cater to a few.
    Its not an attack on "liberties"....its part of the cost of doing business in this country. Far too often we hear from the "Conservatives" of this world that they should be entitled to keep everything they have "earned"....as if they shouldn't have to pay anything back to the Country that allowed them the opportunity and resources to earn what they have. It is downright disgusting.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    The point is that government spending doesn't change overnight. Decisions made now can affect spending levels for decades. 650 Billion dollars of today's deficit was baked in to the system in 2003. But that was in the dark time, when deficits didn't matter.

    I left the GOP because I care about actual fiscal responsibility, not just lip service.
    The point is deficits are created by both spending increases and revenue shortfalls. What happened is spending can be predicted but Congress is very poor at creating revenue projections. Congress gives the CBO assumptions and if those assumptions aren't right the projections are going to be wrong. What most liberals today are ignoring are the facts that approximately 22 million Americans are unemployed/under employed/discouraged and thus aren't paying much in Federal Income taxes thus with the spending increases there is going to be a huge deficit. My point remains, we had the debt ceiling debate in 2011 and commitments to cut spending were made. That didn't happen so we are having the same debate right now. What assurances do we have that an increase in the debt ceiling won't lead to greater debt?

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not at all. Even the tone of your response is still ME ME ME. And I have to laugh at your assertion that "liberals are the most selfish people in this country".....too funny. Initiate, drive, hard work and dedication are all important, but don't kid yourself, opportunity and ability also play a huge part as does access. There are a lot of people in this country that have gotten where they are due to hard work. There are a lot of people who are where they are because it was handed to them....and there are a lot of people that despite initiative, drive, hard work and dedication struggle every day because the opportuinity and access are not there. Don't kid yourself.
    I stand by my statement as you don't seem to understand liberal "leadership" that has created long term power and jobs to administer those so called compassionate social programs. That is liberal greed. A 3.77 trillion dollar Federal Govt. is liberal greed.

    I never kid myself, life isn't fair. this country was built on equal opportunity not equal outcome. Liberals creating dependence is the most selfish thing anyone can do and you seem to revel in it.

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