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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    failure? Equal rights for women was a failure? Equal rights for minorities was a failure? Calling attention to abuse was a failure? Helping the elderly out of the poverty that marked them prior to liberal efforts has been a failure? People live better today than ever before, and in part that is due to liberal thought.

    As for parties, both republicans and democrats have seen success and failure. Today, our biggest problem is people like you who have such a limited view as to see things in only mindlessly simplistic terms of us versus them.
    In case you forgot I don't deal with people who report others with the idea of generating infractions. Nor do I let the ignorance of the left go unchallenged. In 2011 the Congress of the United States increased the debt ceiling and the liberal rhetoric then was that the raising the debt ceiling wouldn't increase the debt. Well, guess what, another lie because the debt is much higher today and going higher all because of liberals like you who buy the rhetoric and ignore the results. Yes. let's raise the debt ceiling so we give the Congress more room to spend more. Liberal logic? Bye, Boo.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

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    I have read the report, what really is sad is that you and others haven't and are incapable of adding up the direct and indirect costs. The real issue however is that regardless of the actual numbers 9/11 had costs that are included in the debt that Bush generated,
    You are lying. The report details the costs of 9/11 to businesses not the government.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Liberalism (not talking Dem or GOP here), has given us equal rights for women, child labor laws to prevent children in factories as slave labor, equal rights for black and women to vote, helping the elderly. Yeah, those are all failures Con, in your eyes I guess. What you fail to realize is that BOTH liberalism and conservatism are needed. Not everything can be conservative and not everything can be liberal.
    Yep, liberalism started out with good ideas but like all liberal programs go too far just like today but then again I forgot Conservatives want to starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air. Name for me one, just one of those liberal social programs that cost what they were intended to cost, do what they were attended to do, actually solved a problem, and didn't create a massive Federal bureaucracy?

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Those were 2003 budget estimates. As in, this was predicted a decade ago, back when you guys didn't care about spending and deficits.

    650 Billion of today’s deficits were already baked into the system a decade ago.

    Incidentally, it's one of the main reasons I left the Republican Party.
    What exactly has Obama proposed that has lowered the deficit? You think Obamacare lowers the deficit? Why is it that far too many don't ever learn from their mistakes? Why was the debt ceiling raised in 2011 and what was the commitment? Was that commitment met? Of course not or we wouldn't need a debt ceiling increase now.

    What bothers me is that CBO gives predictions, Treasury reports actual data. Some don't understand the difference

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No need to grasp for straws. Care to show any large movement from teabagger types of the GOP while GWB was on a spending spree?
    LOL. The Tea Party gained momentum and spread in popularity because of Bush and his brain dead TARP. It was the straw that broke the camels back so to speak. Of course when a bigger fiscal idiot was elected after Bush the movement continued to gain much traction. That's why the Obama administration felt compelled to break the law in it's prosecution of it. No administration in our history has been as hell bent on wrecking our economy as Obama and he doesn't want any group causing him problems.

    But you can probably educated yourself somewhat by taking a visit to Wiki on the subject of conservatives. Be aware though, everything posted in Wiki is not true and tends to have a very left wing idiot bias. But it could be a start for you being you decided to close your eyes to history, at least before now.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    There's nothing in here, not a single word, that I don't hear from Rush Limbaugh on a daily basis. Not one single idea that isn't just repeating what right-wing propaganda rattles out every day.
    When you have 100 years of history of Progressives and a boatload of evidence that their policies are failures, it isn't propaganda. Progressives are great revisionists of history in order to validate their reformist theory, which asserts that socialism can be achieved through gradual peaceful reforms from within a capitalist system. If anything, the Progressive wears the title propagandist.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Really? So you listen to Rush Limbaugh? Interesting. Let me know when you are ready to admit that liberalism has been a failure then.
    I listen to him at lunch frequently. It's interesting to do, because I find out what you think at the same time that you find out what you think. It's neat to watch the dynamics of it -- to see how he makes insanity sound reasonable, and then to watch all his little drones run out that afternoon repeating it all, all over the Internet. It's also interesting to see the specific mechanics of the propaganda: lies, ad hominems, red herrings, false dilemmas, equivocation, false analogies, strawmen and endless, relentless, unyeilding appeals to emotion. I can listen to him make all of these faulty arguments, stringing his audience along by the strength of the emotional appeal, then watch all the rest of the right-wing propaganda engine repeat it, and watch all the sad little drama junkies repeating it all over the Interwebs that night.

    It's genuinely fascinating.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You are lying. The report details the costs of 9/11 to businesses not the government.
    Hmmm, wonder if you understand the definition of direct and indirect costs? Do you believe that when costs go up to business revenue goes up to the Federal Govt? We all apparently are supposed to believe that lower revenue to the govt. along with increased spending is going to balance the budget and lower the deficit and eventually pay down the debt. Didn't read the report, did you? Well back to ignore for you until I get that apology

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    I listen to him at lunch frequently. It's interesting to do, because I find out what you think at the same time that you find out what you think. It's neat to watch the dynamics of it -- to see how he makes insanity sound reasonable, and then to watch all his little drones run out that afternoon repeating it all, all over the Internet. It's also interesting to see the specific mechanics of the propaganda: lies, ad hominems, red herrings, false dilemmas, equivocation, false analogies, strawmen and endless, relentless, unyeilding appeals to emotion. I can listen to him make all of these faulty arguments, stringing his audience along by the strength of the emotional appeal, then watch all the rest of the right-wing propaganda engine repeat it, and watch all the sad little drama junkies repeating it all over the Interwebs that night.

    It's genuinely fascinating.
    I find it interesting that people like you do not seem to understand that people can have the same ideology and philosophy without listening to someone else to tell them what to think. Guess maybe that is why liberals are who they are, thinking based upon what someone tells them.

    Hate to tell you this but I lost my wife of 40 years on January 6. She was sick for over 5 years and during that time I listened very seldom to Limbaugh. In fact the last year of her life and this year I haven't listened to one moment of Limbaugh. I was a Conservative long before Limbaugh was on the air and remain a conservative today.

    My suggestion is to stop blaming Limbaugh and others for Obama failures? Stop thinking with your heart and use that brain God gave you. Do you remember the 2011 debt ceiling debate? What was different then than now? Commitments were made then that haven't been fulfilled. What exactly has Obama done since that debate to lower spending and fulfill his commitment to that agreement? It is genuinely fascinating to watch the live for today liberals ignore the promises of yesterday.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What exactly has Obama proposed that has lowered the deficit? You think Obamacare lowers the deficit? Why is it that far too many don't ever learn from their mistakes? Why was the debt ceiling raised in 2011 and what was the commitment? Was that commitment met? Of course not or we wouldn't need a debt ceiling increase now.

    What bothers me is that CBO gives predictions, Treasury reports actual data. Some don't understand the difference
    This just in; there is in fact something harder than a diamond. It's a tea partiers head.

    Only a tea partier could be indignant that the 2003 CBO could only estimate what the deficit would be in 2013. I guess in the TP world of make believe, you already know everything there is to know without having to do things like look it up, or think about it.

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