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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, I know, posting facts that are verifiable and refutes the "Progressive" rhetoric obviously confuses you and has no place in your world. I really apologize for showing your ideology for what it truly is, a failure.
    Your idea of "facts" are ultra partisan positions in which Obama, democrats, liberals, progressives, lefties, are 100% to blame for everything. If a lefty and a righty shared a pie 50/50 you'd say the lefty stole the other half and ate all of it and you would call this a "verifiable fact" in which lefties just don't want to believe because you destroyed their failed ideology. Just look at the Obama results the pie is gone and government dependent lefties ate it.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And if republicans aren't a majority of the people


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    and the majority of the people are against Obamacare, kinda busts your whole meme doesn't it.
    You're missing the fact that nearly a third of the people who are unhappy about Obamacare are unhappy about it because they want more not less of it. Over half think it's just right or needs to go even further. A minority, albeit a large one, think it goes too far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    kinda busts your whole meme doesn't it.
    No. Not really. The Republicans have been stabbing themselves over and over again since the start of the Iraq Invasion. The "Project for a Permanent Republican Majority" kind of failed, I'd say.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Fiscal conservatives are never popular with those on the government dole. Through decades of progressive policies the left has managed quite successfully to addict a good portion of the people with "free goodies". Not enough to make them well to do but by golly enough to keep them faithful to the Democrat party. These tactics made FDR so popular that the people voted for him three times. The most successful one was probably Johnson's Great Society where it has insured the votes of most black people for the Democrats for decades and beyond. They continue to vote more than 90% Democratic as their families disintegrate, black unemployment keeps rising and the number of unwed black mothers giving birth continues to increase (now over 70%). But after decades of these feckless programs/policies it has become very evident that poverty is perpetuated through government dependency. Even when we are spending a trillion more a year than what the government takes in, the Progressives keep throwing their constituents a new bone here and there from Obamaphones, increases in food stamps, and an array of welfare programs. And today all the benefits a single mom is entitled to is now greater in value than a couple with children both working at median income and paying taxes. That's pathetic.

    But there is one really big flaw in the Progressive's thinking. He loves to tax those who take advantage of capitalism and become successful so he can redistribute the money, but at the same time has a really bad habit of wanting to over regulate everything in the private sector to the point it stifles economic growth cutting his own throat. The Progressive tends to be an arrogant bastard. Look how he became so brazen to support the shoving through of Obamacare when the majority of the people didn't want it.

    Since FDR every stinking bureaucracy created has become an over-bloated boondoggle that look nothing like what they were sold to the American people when they were first created. Every last one of them needs serious reform or ended but you won't find a Progressive agreeing with that because in their arrogance that would mean they would have to admit failure. All these programs have become burdens on the states and at the state/city levels programs are getting cut because they can't be sustained.

    Because of this weak economy those college students that fell for all that hope and change crap have since graduated and can't find jobs. A lot of them aren't liking the change and see a dismal future ahead. The fact that recession is lingering and job growth is strangled by the rules of ObamaCare and anti capitalistic policies that have poured out on the left may be good for Democrats, since the number of those eager for benefits increases. But Detroit is the poster child that tells ALL it can't go on forever.

    So in a Progressive's arrogance or should I state ignorance, whatever, he sees Republicans being blamed for the shutdown. Oh foolish one. This isn't the 1990's. And the reason the Republicans found a backbone is because of the countless calls they have received by their constituients which include Republicans, Independents and even some Democrats to stop the feckless spending.

    If I were a Progressive, I'd be real concerned over the number of so called Reagan Democrats that are very angry with Obamacare and how it violates their religious rights. A good majority of them tend to be Catholic. Just last month nuns from the "Little Sisters of the Poor" filed a class action suit against HHS over Obamacare forcing them to directly or indirectly support the contraceptive mandate that violates their beliefs. And there are numerous other lawsuits that are similar currently working their way through the system. Yes, it will be the arrogance of the Progressive that will be his downfall.
    There's nothing in here, not a single word, that I don't hear from Rush Limbaugh on a daily basis. Not one single idea that isn't just repeating what right-wing propaganda rattles out every day.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I forgot who I was dealing with here as we have a history. it certainly is a waste of time dealing with someone who obviously needs a big central govt, and Obamanomics due to an inability to live on your own in a private sector economy

    I know that math is among the things you don't understand so if you can find a friend ask one to add up all the direct and indirect costs in that report. This will be my last post to you until you do so and then apologize. I can beat you up all day with numbers but it is a waste of time because liberals only think with their heart and not their brain.
    Um, you should read the report.
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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Your idea of "facts" are ultra partisan positions in which Obama, democrats, liberals, progressives, lefties, are 100% to blame for everything. If a lefty and a righty shared a pie 50/50 you'd say the lefty stole the other half and ate all of it and you would call this a "verifiable fact" in which lefties just don't want to believe because you destroyed their failed ideology. Just look at the Obama results the pie is gone and government dependent lefties ate it.
    Project much? My facts come from BLS.gov, BEA.gov, and the U.S. Treasury. they also come from 35 years in the business world where I learned the definition of leadership and the responsibilities of leadership. Obama is responsible for the results generated under this leadership, he is responsible for the economic policies generated, and the tone of his Administration. It really is sad that you have such a poor understanding of leadership and the responsibilities of leadership. The pie isn't growing and that is the problem, liberals like you have destroyed incentive, destroyed personal responsibility and have created mountains of debt with your social engineering

    I have absolutely zero respect for progressives who have created the problems and yes, I blame Obama for the results today, the lack of leadership but then I expected nothing less from a street thug from Chicago. Interesting how the shoe is on the other foot. GW Bush was responsible for the recession and driving the economy into the ditch and apparently is still responsible for Obama not being able to get the economy out of the ditch.

    What people like you never do is accept responsibility for failure. It is always someone else's fault for your policy failures. The fact that you never address the actual data presented, the fact that I am called a liar yet no one proves that I lied about anything, the fact that we are five years into the Obama Presidency and the results today are still GW Bush's fault speaks volumes about your ideology and its failures.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    There's nothing in here, not a single word, that I don't hear from Rush Limbaugh on a daily basis. Not one single idea that isn't just repeating what right-wing propaganda rattles out every day.
    Really? So you listen to Rush Limbaugh? Interesting. Let me know when you are ready to admit that liberalism has been a failure then.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Um, you should read the report.
    I have read the report, what really is sad is that you and others haven't and are incapable of adding up the direct and indirect costs. The real issue however is that regardless of the actual numbers 9/11 had costs that are included in the debt that Bush generated, 4.9 trillion dollars over 8 years or 600 billion a year vs. the Obama 6.4 trillion over 5 years or 1.3 trillion a year. If there was a way I am sure liberals would try to pass on some of the costs of 9/11 into that Obama debt but rather than focus on Obama results you prefer to claim I lied about the cost of 9/11 without even reading the report, adding up the costs, and diverting from the current results to focus on something that has nothing to do with the current economic results or the debt Obama is generating.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Really? So you listen to Rush Limbaugh? Interesting. Let me know when you are ready to admit that liberalism has been a failure then.
    failure? Equal rights for women was a failure? Equal rights for minorities was a failure? Calling attention to abuse was a failure? Helping the elderly out of the poverty that marked them prior to liberal efforts has been a failure? People live better today than ever before, and in part that is due to liberal thought.

    As for parties, both republicans and democrats have seen success and failure. Today, our biggest problem is people like you who have such a limited view as to see things in only mindlessly simplistic terms of us versus them.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I have read the report, what really is sad is that you and others haven't and are incapable of adding up the direct and indirect costs. The real issue however is that regardless of the actual numbers 9/11 had costs that are included in the debt that Bush generated, 4.9 trillion dollars over 8 years or 600 billion a year vs. the Obama 6.4 trillion over 5 years or 1.3 trillion a year. If there was a way I am sure liberals would try to pass on some of the costs of 9/11 into that Obama debt but rather than focus on Obama results you prefer to claim I lied about the cost of 9/11 without even reading the report, adding up the costs, and diverting from the current results to focus on something that has nothing to do with the current economic results or the debt Obama is generating.
    Liberalism (not talking Dem or GOP here), has given us equal rights for women, child labor laws to prevent children in factories as slave labor, equal rights for black and women to vote, helping the elderly. Yeah, those are all failures Con, in your eyes I guess. What you fail to realize is that BOTH liberalism and conservatism are needed. Not everything can be conservative and not everything can be liberal.

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    Re: Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    All that faith in CBO numbers, but not the Treasury Dept. Gee, who to believe, the bank account of the United States or the CONGRESSIONAL Budget office that takes direction from the Congress? Hmmmm

    Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual
    Those were 2003 budget estimates. As in, this was predicted a decade ago, back when you guys didn't care about spending and deficits.

    650 Billion of today’s deficits were already baked into the system a decade ago.

    Incidentally, it's one of the main reasons I left the Republican Party.

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