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    Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops - Washington Times

    This is utterly shameful.

    "The Pentagon revealed the elimination of funeral pay, along with other impacts of the shutdown, in a press release."

    We have plenty of money and to do this is the lowest form of cowardice and political BS that I have ever heard of. Shame on whoever came up with this politically driven idea and I hope they have their balls nailed to the wall.

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    re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    I believe Congress has already resolved this issue. It wasn't politically driven. Compensation of various natures is simply not authorized right now.
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    re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I believe Congress has already resolved this issue. It wasn't politically driven. Compensation of various natures is simply not authorized right now.
    Right, putting out a press release saying you can't pay for funerals isn't politically driven. I throw the BS flag.

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    re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Right, putting out a press release saying you can't pay for funerals isn't politically driven. I throw the BS flag.
    Yet they can pay capital police to pick up trash after illegal aliens, but Obama doesn't have the money to pay military families?

    Finally Obama has accomplished something. Being a ruthless 3rd world dictator.

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    re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Right, putting out a press release saying you can't pay for funerals isn't politically driven. I throw the BS flag.

    “Secretary [of Defense Chuck] Hagel assured the service leaders that he would work closely with them to address these challenges, and support the service members and families impacted by these disruptions,” it continued....."
    Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops - Washington Times


    The conservative Washington Times seems to be trying real hard to make it political.

    So where's the "press release"? Do you have a link the actual press release or should we just assume the WT is politicizing the families of fallen soldiers?

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    re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    “Secretary [of Defense Chuck] Hagel assured the service leaders that he would work closely with them to address these challenges, and support the service members and families impacted by these disruptions,” it continued....."
    Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops - Washington Times


    The conservative Washington Times seems to be trying real hard to make it political.

    So where's the "press release"? Do you have a link the actual press release or should we just assume the WT is politicizing the families of fallen soldiers?
    Pathetic response, but here you go. Same article essentially from the NYTimes http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/us...lies.html?_r=0

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    re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Pathetic response, but here you go. Same article essentially from the NYTimes http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/us...lies.html?_r=0
    I was just responding to your pathetic post. Neither of the links that you provided were press releases. This is what DOD press releases look like....and there's not one that talks or mentions anything about not paying the benefits of the fallen soldiers to their families.

    Defense.gov News: News Releases


    Your NYT link says that the military didn't have a choice because of a law that was passed by congress....



    "....Under the shutdown, Carl Woog, a Defense Department spokesman, said on Tuesday, “the Department of Defense does not currently have the authority to pay death gratuities and other key benefits for the survivors of service members killed in action.” ....<snip>....

    The House Appropriations Committee is moving to get a bill to the floor to reinstate the benefits as early as Wednesday....<snip>....

    “The fact that the House is developing new legislation on this matter shows Congress fully understands that D.O.D. does not have the legal authority to provide these death benefits,” a senior military official said. “Secretary Hagel is outraged and disgusted by this situation, but the law is clear.” ....read......"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/us...ies.html?_r=1&

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    re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I was just responding to your pathetic post. Neither of the links that you provided were press releases. This is what DOD press releases look like....and there's not one that talks or mentions anything about not paying the benefits of the fallen soldiers to their families.

    Defense.gov News: News Releases


    Your NYT link says that the military didn't have a choice because of a law that was passed by congress....



    "....Under the shutdown, Carl Woog, a Defense Department spokesman, said on Tuesday, “the Department of Defense does not currently have the authority to pay death gratuities and other key benefits for the survivors of service members killed in action.” ....<snip>....

    The House Appropriations Committee is moving to get a bill to the floor to reinstate the benefits as early as Wednesday....<snip>....

    “The fact that the House is developing new legislation on this matter shows Congress fully understands that D.O.D. does not have the legal authority to provide these death benefits,” a senior military official said. “Secretary Hagel is outraged and disgusted by this situation, but the law is clear.” ....read......"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/us...ies.html?_r=1&
    I don't quite understand what your version of a press release is, but it's usually when information is released to the press. WTF are you talking about?

    You really don't think this is political? You really think the military doesn't have the money to pay for funerals? You really must be joking or you have bought into the BS hook line and sinker.

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    re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops - Washington Times

    This is utterly shameful.

    "The Pentagon revealed the elimination of funeral pay, along with other impacts of the shutdown, in a press release."

    We have plenty of money and to do this is the lowest form of cowardice and political BS that I have ever heard of. Shame on whoever came up with this politically driven idea and I hope they have their balls nailed to the wall.
    Here is the problem with your politicizing. I agree the government spends too much and the continual borrowing of money will eventually lead to a point where we are so in debt we can no longer handle it and there will be a huge collapse in the US economy and lifestyle due to what happens when the bills come due. The reality is that we are very much in debt now and that cutting that debt means lowering the expenditures we make. That means cuts in everything. You want cuts to things you do not like, but when it comes to these frivelious things you want it not to be cut and for us to keep on bleeding money. You also seem to expect that your things are not going to be the most cut when you have lost the presidency and the senate. Sorry, but the real;ity should be that the dems lead the way in cutting things. Now if you are going to hold the purse strings and deny any credit and shut down unneccesary parts of the government then you will loose things like this. This is not necessary to the survival of the american people. This thing you are bitching about is a perk, and I agree that it is time to start cutting all perks. If you wish to ask why perks like congressional benefits, presidential benefits, corporate tax deductions, military spending, foreign aid, foreign country building, and corporate welfare are not being cut with everything else I am right there with you. However, since your point seems to be let us keep spending on this crap while we have a money problem because you think that BS spending for your toys should remain in effect I cannot support your point at all.

    Cuts means cutting for all of us. You wanted fiscal responsibility now suck it up and deal. This is what it means and you bneed to stop whining about losing things like this and public park funding, along with many other frivelous things. Yes, that means stupid old vets might not have a memorial, dumb ass republican sycophants might not get white house tours, and we might not be able to bomb as many people in the future.

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    re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Here is the problem with your politicizing. I agree the government spends too much and the continual borrowing of money will eventually lead to a point where we are so in debt we can no longer handle it and there will be a huge collapse in the US economy and lifestyle due to what happens when the bills come due. The reality is that we are very much in debt now and that cutting that debt means lowering the expenditures we make. That means cuts in everything. You want cuts to things you do not like, but when it comes to these frivelious things you want it not to be cut and for us to keep on bleeding money. You also seem to expect that your things are not going to be the most cut when you have lost the presidency and the senate. Sorry, but the real;ity should be that the dems lead the way in cutting things. Now if you are going to hold the purse strings and deny any credit and shut down unneccesary parts of the government then you will loose things like this. This is not necessary to the survival of the american people. This thing you are bitching about is a perk, and I agree that it is time to start cutting all perks. If you wish to ask why perks like congressional benefits, presidential benefits, corporate tax deductions, military spending, foreign aid, foreign country building, and corporate welfare are not being cut with everything else I am right there with you. However, since your point seems to be let us keep spending on this crap while we have a money problem because you think that BS spending for your toys should remain in effect I cannot support your point at all.

    Cuts means cutting for all of us. You wanted fiscal responsibility now suck it up and deal. This is what it means and you bneed to stop whining about losing things like this and public park funding, along with many other frivelous things. Yes, that means stupid old vets might not have a memorial, dumb ass republican sycophants might not get white house tours, and we might not be able to bomb as many people in the future.
    What the hell are you talking about? We are talking about funeral pay for men and women killed in the line of duty overseas. The military is funded through the Pay our Military Act of Sep 2013.

    "Over the weekend, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the Pentagon concluded that most of its 400,000 civilian employees were covered by the bill." - NY Times

    They made this choice.

    Your response is cold hearted, un-American, and really shows your immaturity.

    If there is really no money to give soldiers then why did they fly the bodies back to the states? According to your logic, they're dead so the military responsibility to them has ceased.

    I really didn't foresee the lunatics coming out of the wood work on this one. I'm sad that you call yourself an American.

    Don't bother responding, I don't care what you have to say and you're "ignored."

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