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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    If you were in the military then you should be familiar with the term "no excuses." Intentions don't matter, excuses don't matter. Results and leadership matter. I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt, I'm not going to make excuses for this shameful act of disrespect. Many people are rightfully mad as hell about this.
    Actually, that simply isn't how it works, particularly with paperwork or government benefits. It would be great if I got paid right after my drill weekend, but like usual, it has already been a week and a half, and I still haven't seen any money. This is normal and not due to the shutdown though. Heck, some of the guys have waited months after putting in their travel pay to get paid, something that can cause them to not be able to pay the government credit card we all have and get in trouble with the command.

    If you work for the military or are a military dependent and you expect money to come to you quickly, then you have overexpectations. That simply isn't how it works all the time. And government shutdowns will screw things up, even when it causes problems like this.

    But there is help out there, and not just from civilian sources that want to look good. The military has liaisons to help families, particularly when there is a death. And there is Navy/Marine Corps Relief (which I'm sure would help). Plus, omsbudsmen who should still be helping the family and militaryonesource.com. This is just a few. Any military family that doesn't know about these is just hurting themself because the military simply isn't perfect.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Either way, the shutdown has nothing to do with these benefits. Depriving these families like this is almost criminal.
    The money for the death benefit comes from DOD funding, not any sort of insurance plan. So yes, the shutdown would affect the ability to pay for death benefits when it isn't technically money to operate the military. (Which they are working on fixing now anyway.)
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hannity et. al. raised money for these families.
    Great, doesn't change the fact that there is help from military related sources if they would simply ask. I'm not saying that people shouldn't know what is going on, but I do know there are other sources that likely most of these families didn't even contact.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The money for the death benefit comes from DOD funding, not any sort of insurance plan. So yes, the shutdown would affect the ability to pay for death benefits when it isn't technically money to operate the military. (Which they are working on fixing now anyway.)
    Fort Ben shut down?
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Great, doesn't change the fact that there is help from military related sources if they would simply ask. I'm not saying that people shouldn't know what is going on, but I do know there are other sources that likely most of these families didn't even contact.
    Those families probably didn't know.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Those families probably didn't know.
    Then that is a failure of their commands. They should have known. My own command and my husband's give us info about these things all the time, and at the very least, spouses should have a command contact when given notification of death if they need any assistance. Major command failure.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    When i think of how we need to gut the military budget, this isn't what i have in mind, hitting the survivors with a fat bill just to get to the funeral, at the time they need support the most. It seems like there's some new, unforeseen outrage every day thanks to this shutdown.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Fort Ben shut down?
    The death benefits were most likely not a part of the bill signed in that paid normal pay to soldiers.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what opinions, are you referring to, who knows more about the constitution and the bill of rights then Madison.

    since he laid the foundation of the constitution, before the constitutional convention, and wrote the bill of rights.
    Attributing the constitution to a single person is foolish, and declaring this person has the only valid opinion is worse.

    The scope of the Federal government's power was a huge point of debate then, as it is now, and opinions varied wildly.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Attributing the constitution to a single person is foolish, and declaring this person has the only valid opinion is worse.

    The scope of the Federal government's power was a huge point of debate then, as it is now, and opinions varied wildly.
    you did not answer, i asked who you were referring too. i referred to Madison, becuase no one has contributed more to the constitution and the bill of rights, the whole interpretation of the constitution.......no one

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