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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    then how can you explain his opposition to a amendment to the constitution that limited the powers of the federal government to only those that are "explicitly" delegated? if what you are saying about Madison's position on enumerated powers, then he would have agreed with the amendment i quoted.

    and why did madison not try to undo the damage done to his beloved vision of the constitution by fellow Virginian delegate, founding father, and supreme court john Marshall.

    this is a excerpt from Justice Marshalls opinion from the landmark case Mcculloch V Maryland, and it relates to the 10th amendment.



    McCulloch v. Maryland - 17 U.S. 316 (1819) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center

    is justice marshall wrong?
    please do not get away from the founders, which is what you are doing.

    ask yourself a question, if the federal government was unlimited, would they be able to infringe on the rights of citizens?.......the answer is yes, however becuase the federal government is limited as stated by the founders, this prevents the government from infringing on the rights of the people, because none of the 18 powers of congress intersect with the people, that is why madison and Hamilton called the constitution a bill of rights.

    madsion worked day in and day out in Philadelphia (and beforehand for months in Orange County) hammering out the practical applications of legitimate government. The chief expression of this doctrine is .......enumerated powers.

    The enumeration in the Constitution of specific powers delegated to the federal government is the cornerstone of American political theory and of the Constitutional Republic established in 1787.

    The basic definition of enumerated powers is that the best limitation on power is to not give it in the first place. Powers as understood by Madison, Jefferson, were only legitimate if they had been granted to the government by the people and written specifically in the document through which the governed gave life to the government.

    Madison ,jefferson,Hamilton, all state the federal government is limited.

    Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America--madison

    If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people, whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard they have formed, and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify.
    Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 33, January 3, 1788

    the State governments possess inherent advantages, which will ever give them an influence and ascendancy over the National Government, and will for ever preclude the possibility of federal encroachments. That their liberties, indeed, can be subverted by the federal head, is repugnant to every rule of political calculation.
    Alexander Hamilton, speech to the New York Ratifying Convention, June 17, 1788

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    please do not get away from the founders, which is what you are doing.

    ask yourself a question, if the federal government was unlimited, would they be able to infringe on the rights of citizens?.......the answer is yes, however becuase the federal government is limited as stated by the founders, this prevents the government from infringing on the rights of the people, because none of the 18 powers of congress intersect with the people, that is why madison and Hamilton called the constitution a bill of rights.

    madsion worked day in and day out in Philadelphia (and beforehand for months in Orange County) hammering out the practical applications of legitimate government. The chief expression of this doctrine is .......enumerated powers.

    The enumeration in the Constitution of specific powers delegated to the federal government is the cornerstone of American political theory and of the Constitutional Republic established in 1787.

    The basic definition of enumerated powers is that the best limitation on power is to not give it in the first place. Powers as understood by Madison, Jefferson, were only legitimate if they had been granted to the government by the people and written specifically in the document through which the governed gave life to the government.

    Madison ,jefferson,Hamilton, all state the federal government is limited.

    Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America--madison

    If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people, whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard they have formed, and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify.
    Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 33, January 3, 1788

    the State governments possess inherent advantages, which will ever give them an influence and ascendancy over the National Government, and will for ever preclude the possibility of federal encroachments. That their liberties, indeed, can be subverted by the federal head, is repugnant to every rule of political calculation.
    Alexander Hamilton, speech to the New York Ratifying Convention, June 17, 1788
    does the fact that john marshall was a delegate to the virgina ratifying convention in 1788 make him a founder?

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Obama's/Harry Reid's partial government shutdown is all political and pure bull crap. The federal government has the money to run the government at 100 % until October 17th.
    Each day it gets closer to Oct. 17....you could lose a portion of your 401K or pension. If the country defaults...kiss your hard earned pension goodbye. Thanks republicans.

    The Obama administration has been very selective on what would be shutdown and who would be sent home with pay. The Park Police are spending more money keeping veterans and American citizens from memorials and parks and allowing illegal aliens to have a rally on the CLOSED National Mall demanding amnesty, citizenship and free stuff than if the memorials and parks were open.
    I know, I watch FoxNews, too. They shamelessly lie to your face. I hate that.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Each day it gets closer to Oct. 17....you could lose a portion of your 401K or pension. If the country defaults...kiss your hard earned pension goodbye. Thanks republicans.



    I know, I watch FoxNews, too. They lie to your face. I hate that.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    I'm calling my financial advisor tomorrow.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    does the fact that john marshall was a delegate to the virgina ratifying convention in 1788 make him a founder?
    no..i dont think so... a founder could be the constitutional convention, and also part of the DOI.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    you probably don't believe in night fall just because you can't hear it.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops - Washington Times

    This is utterly shameful.

    "The Pentagon revealed the elimination of funeral pay, along with other impacts of the shutdown, in a press release."

    We have plenty of money and to do this is the lowest form of cowardice and political BS that I have ever heard of. Shame on whoever came up with this politically driven idea and I hope they have their balls nailed to the wall.
    You would think Obama and Hagel have sunk about as low as they can, but they fool you and sink lower. Its outrageous their disdain and hatred for our military.
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post


    When someone believes Obama is literally a comic book villain, there's no sense talking to them.
    And anyone who believes he isn't lives in fantasy land.
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No, Republicans are picking and choosing which programs should open up, based on how good it will make them look in the polls. Meanwhile, programs that are under the radar, such as WIC, would go unfunded. That is the height of cowardice.
    The Democrats are punishing the American people, trying to break their will, to push the Liberal agenda...that's the height of tyranny.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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