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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The Pentagon has always had problems with burials. When my brother in law passed away, it took me 2 months to bury him at the VA Cemetery here in Houston, due to a snafu.
    Even without the shutdown, SNAFU's are very common with the quality of civilians the government hires.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, it's not. The troops pay for that insurance out of their pockets. The system in place in the United States military is called Soldiers Group Life Insurance.

    You can bet your boots that the partial government shutdown didn't stop the payroll deduction to pay for SGLI.
    Absolutely true.

    Just shows the evil lengths this administration will cause pain in the name of the shutdown.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Soldiers pay for these death benefits, so there's no cut that is justified, here.
    If they pay for them with their own funds then there is no funding needed by congress and what is being claimed is a lie. If congress provides a benefit to them vie non-essential funding then they do not pay for it themselves and you have a complaint with the government not being funded and blaming obama is a lie. Either way it is a lie.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Absolutely true.

    Just shows the evil lengths this administration will cause pain in the name of the shutdown.
    Yeah, it's not like the GOP has defunded government operations or anything.

    Let's play pretend.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've seen partial SGLI payments take place within 48 hours; 72 hours, tops.
    And I've heard of them recently taking months (there was an article about it some time after I got off active duty).

    But regardless, this is separate pay. It is not the SGLI payment, but rather the extra pay that we designate in our Page 2's.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    They're not. A private organization out of Maryland has stepped in to fly the families out to claim their bodies at least. The money in question is what you say it is. This government should not intentionally make anything more stressful than it has to be for these families.
    I agree, the military shouldn't make things more stressful, but military life and bureaucracy is stressful, no matter who is in office or what is going on. Whether we like it or not, the military is not run efficiently and hasn't been for a long time, if it ever was. Military families should know that it doesn't run efficiently.

    But I'm also willing to bet that there would be things done by others within the military networks to help these families because there is a lot of help out there.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Absolutely true.

    Just shows the evil lengths this administration will cause pain in the name of the shutdown.
    For all those who are confused, there are two different death benefits that come into play here, the SGLI, which generally takes 45-60 days to get because paperwork must be filed with the insurance company that holds these plans and an actual death benefit that used to be about 6 months worth of pay and extra but is now the $100000, meant to ensure that a spouse/surviving family is able to take care of final expenses and/or bills of the service member on the event of their death without having to wait for the SGLI to kick in (assuming that the member even elected to get it since it is voluntary, and a person can opt not to pay for SGLI or to pay for a lower amount of SGLI). The death benefit is automatic and not paid for by the servicemember. It is more like a benefit of simply being in the military.

    Beyond SGLI | Military.com

    Compared to most if not all, other employer group term insurance plans, SGLI has a very generous maximum death benefit of $400,000. When added to the recently increased Service Death Gratuity of $100,000, active-duty servicemembers have $500,000 of life insurance coverage.
    And many military experts are saying that it would benefit military servicemembers to actually get additional life insurance anyway, especially if they have children.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I agree, the military shouldn't make things more stressful, but military life and bureaucracy is stressful, no matter who is in office or what is going on. Whether we like it or not, the military is not run efficiently and hasn't been for a long time, if it ever was. Military families should know that it doesn't run efficiently.

    But I'm also willing to bet that there would be things done by others within the military networks to help these families because there is a lot of help out there.
    If you were in the military then you should be familiar with the term "no excuses." Intentions don't matter, excuses don't matter. Results and leadership matter. I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt, I'm not going to make excuses for this shameful act of disrespect. Many people are rightfully mad as hell about this.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops - Washington Times

    This is utterly shameful.

    "The Pentagon revealed the elimination of funeral pay, along with other impacts of the shutdown, in a press release."

    We have plenty of money and to do this is the lowest form of cowardice and political BS that I have ever heard of. Shame on whoever came up with this politically driven idea and I hope they have their balls nailed to the wall.
    I have been savaging Republicans over the shutdown, but on this particular issue, I have to side with them, and place the blame on Obama where it belongs. The shutdown pretty much means that non-essential services are shut down, which leads me to ask.... What can be more essential than honoring those who served our nation by burying them with honors, and giving their families death benefits? One of the piecemeal bills Republicans put forward was to bury our soldiers properly, as well as provide the death benefits due their families. Obama is not budging on this.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And I've heard of them recently taking months (there was an article about it some time after I got off active duty).

    But regardless, this is separate pay. It is not the SGLI payment, but rather the extra pay that we designate in our Page 2's.
    Either way, the shutdown has nothing to do with these benefits. Depriving these families like this is almost criminal.
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