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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I don't vote based on what my lean is. I vote on who I feel will take care of the most issues I care about at a time. Especially Presidents, since they only have a max of 8 years. Things take time and unlike most, I absolutely understand this. I don't agree with either side 100%, but I have yet to see any politician with any chance of making it to President that I agree with even 80% on most issues.
    Yeah but Hillary, come on fiscally she stands for everything you against. Biden is much more Conservative then she is. Your voting for her because she is female, period.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Yeah but Hillary, come on fiscally she stands for everything you against. Biden is much more Conservative then she is. Your voting for her because she is female, period.
    Fiscally, she is for one of the main things I want and has the frickin balls to push for it til she gets it, at least she would have had she been given a chance. I want a UHC. There are plenty of other fiscal things I don't agree with where she is concerned, but then again, I am in the middle when it comes to fiscal policies anyway. I think both sides want fiscal policies that are too much about them trying to convince others that it will magically fix the economy and make everyone rich. It doesn't work that way.

    Socially, she supports several things I do, but she also supports many I don't. I'm obviously for same sex marriage and gay rights, but I don't agree with abortion (although I wouldn't completely outlaw it) and I am against allowing illegal immigrants basically head of the line privileges for citizenship just because they got here while others didn't.

    I want to see social assistance programs changed to a system that tries to reduce fraud and helps to encourage people to get off of it while still providing proper assistance. I don't want others telling people how to raise their children, especially if it isn't abuse.

    There simply isn't any good ideas for the fiscal policies of our government that will fix everything, but neither side wants to admit that it will simply take time.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Budgeting for the military has changed a lot since the 1980s. Death benefits have not been on LES's since I got in, that I know for sure. And I never went through any such classes. Heck, the only reason I know there is any extra money for us besides the SGLI is because I have a pretty good memory when it comes to what I sign, and I know that there are at least three things on the Page 2 that are signed for designating a person to receive certain benefits upon your death (and it doesn't have to be the same person as that which gets your SGLI primary, however, I'm pretty sure that if you have a spouse and it isn't your spouse, just like the SGLI benefits, the military is supposed to get the spouse's signature of approval for it). Most people do not know about this because many do not pay attention to every little bit of paperwork they sign, and even many of those who might, probably wouldn't bother telling their beneficiaries about it. Very few have any clue that it is intended to bury them or help their spouses/relatives so quickly after their death. I would never have guessed it was paid within days of a death. I can't even get paid for my drill days for 2 weeks or more after the drill. And there was just a story a couple years back about how the company that holds the SGLI benefits was taking longer to deliver those and it was causing hardships.
    I did not mention SGLI.

    This was a death gratuity, same as now. Nor did I say it was on our leave and earning statements. In fact the class I attended made the point that we would not see it on our LES (which is why it was not obvious).

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Fiscally, she is for one of the main things I want and has the frickin balls to push for it til she gets it, at least she would have had she been given a chance. I want a UHC. There are plenty of other fiscal things I don't agree with where she is concerned, but then again, I am in the middle when it comes to fiscal policies anyway. I think both sides want fiscal policies that are too much about them trying to convince others that it will magically fix the economy and make everyone rich. It doesn't work that way.

    Socially, she supports several things I do, but she also supports many I don't. I'm obviously for same sex marriage and gay rights, but I don't agree with abortion (although I wouldn't completely outlaw it) and I am against allowing illegal immigrants basically head of the line privileges for citizenship just because they got here while others didn't.


    I want to see social assistance programs changed to a system that tries to reduce fraud and helps to encourage people to get off of it while still providing proper assistance. I don't want others telling people how to raise their children, especially if it isn't abuse.

    There simply isn't any good ideas for the fiscal policies of our government that will fix everything, but neither side wants to admit that it will simply take time.
    I am confused. How can one be a socialist and be slightly conservative?

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I am confused. How can one be a socialist and be slightly conservative?
    So you don't think there should be ANY assistance programs for people?

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I did not mention SGLI.

    This was a death gratuity, same as now. Nor did I say it was on our leave and earning statements. In fact the class I attended made the point that we would not see it on our LES (which is why it was not obvious).
    If it isn't on your LES, it isn't part of your earnings and it most likely would not be part of that budget planning.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you don't think there should be ANY assistance programs for people?
    Not from the federal government. There were not provisions made to take money from one person to give to another person.

    States and lower political entities may address those issues if they choose to.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    If it isn't on your LES, it isn't part of your earnings and it most likely would not be part of that budget planning.
    Now I realize that you are intentionally being ignorant. Have an evening.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I am confused. How can one be a socialist and be slightly conservative?
    They're called CINOs (pronounced "cheenos"). Their's is a worldview acquired primarily in the more pretentious coffee shops - usually on the left coast.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Why do you find that hard to believe? It isn't something people think about really. Both sides are being petty. They knew they had to ensure that the military was paid, but there are plenty of things that go beyond just our monthly pay and direct monthly benefits. They didn't think about those other things, only the immediate, basic pay and allowances.

    We have a Congress who is too busy fighting and being petty to notice the extra things.
    I find it extremely hard to believe that they didn't realize or think about the immediate death gratuity/benefit. When you look at the shear numbers of military deaths since the start of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan http://www.defense.gov/news/casualty.pdf (these numbers of course, not completely solid, but the point is made) We're talking about billions of dollars.....billions....with a "B" that are in play here. How this amount of money has not batted any politician's eyelashes over the years is beyond me. I really do think someone seriously dropped the ball on this one. I'm not taking sides on this gov shutdown. Everyone on the Hill are to blame from Obama, to the Republicans AND the Democrats, and they are all acting like children. But lets not pretend that billions of dollars was simply forgotten about and not taken into account for having an effect on the emergency bill that was passed to ensure military pay continued.
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