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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In all honesty, I feel that funerals and such are for the family left behind and them being able to remember their loved one. I think in all honesty, the flying bodies home (or pretending to) and the like is more for the media and the public, and it has been going on for a while. I don't believe I would be all that upset if the military had my husband somewhere here in the states for a while before releasing the body and pretended to fly him home at a time I could make it. In fact, I would rather they simply say "hey, now we will release your husband's body to you". Sure I'm going to be upset my husband is dead, and I would want his body treated with dignity, but I don't need all the "pomp and circumstance". It isn't necessary. And putting on a show about his body "coming home" really isn't undignified, just unnecessary. The problem is I believe the media, politicians, and even the public want that "pomp and circumstance", probably a lot more than most families.
    I respect the way you feel, Roguenuke, because we each have to respond in our own way but if it were my son I would not want him treated that way. I'd not attend if it's only to go through motions which are just as empty as that coffin.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I respect the way you feel, Roguenuke, because we each have to respond in our own way but if it were my son I would not want him treated that way. I'd not attend if it's only to go through motions which are just as empty as that coffin.
    Most don't even know though, according to the article. So why would it matter?

    Now I think they shouldn't do stuff like this, but it doesn't sound like it is something new either. Sounds like it has been going on much longer than this administration. There just doesn't seem like enough information or even verification of this information to go on.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Why would that keep you in? When did you serve?
    1975-1995. At about the 8 year mark we had classes to explain all of the amazing things about our pay and allowances we might not know. We were told about a variety of things including our death benefits that are not obvious when looking at our monthly leave and earning statements. Interestingly I was also told I would have medical care for the rest of my life. Of course the Congress does increase the cost of that particular benefit every year. For me it is still a bargain. Will I be forced into one of the much worse MessiahCare plans?
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    And I'm not sure you quite understood what I was saying. I'm saying that they are not budgeted under normal pay and allowances for military personnel in all likelihood. Given the current issue we saw, it would seem this is true and it makes sense. Why budget death benefits with normal pay? How would you even determine how many people would be likely to die and require those death benefits within a given month? It seems much more like it would be a "just in case" budget item, rather than an item included under pay and allowances in the budget.
    I disagree. If it is delivered as part of pay and allowances then that is where one is most likely going to find it in the budget. We use statistics to create reasonably accurate predictions of year to year payouts. Budgets for pay and allowances are probably still single year dollars.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    1975-1995. At about the 8 year mark we had classes to explain all of the amazing things about our pay and allowances we might not know. We were told about a variety of things including our death benefits that are not obvious when looking at our monthly leave and earning statements. Interestingly I was also told I would have medical care for the rest of my life. Of course the Congress does increase the cost of that particular benefit every year. For me it is still a bargain. Will I be forced into one of the much worse MessiahCare plans?
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    I disagree. If it is delivered as part of pay and allowances then that is where one is most likely going to find it in the budget. We use statistics to create reasonably accurate predictions of year to year payouts. Budgets for pay and allowances are probably still single year dollars.
    Budgeting for the military has changed a lot since the 1980s. Death benefits have not been on LES's since I got in, that I know for sure. And I never went through any such classes. Heck, the only reason I know there is any extra money for us besides the SGLI is because I have a pretty good memory when it comes to what I sign, and I know that there are at least three things on the Page 2 that are signed for designating a person to receive certain benefits upon your death (and it doesn't have to be the same person as that which gets your SGLI primary, however, I'm pretty sure that if you have a spouse and it isn't your spouse, just like the SGLI benefits, the military is supposed to get the spouse's signature of approval for it). Most people do not know about this because many do not pay attention to every little bit of paperwork they sign, and even many of those who might, probably wouldn't bother telling their beneficiaries about it. Very few have any clue that it is intended to bury them or help their spouses/relatives so quickly after their death. I would never have guessed it was paid within days of a death. I can't even get paid for my drill days for 2 weeks or more after the drill. And there was just a story a couple years back about how the company that holds the SGLI benefits was taking longer to deliver those and it was causing hardships.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Most don't even know though, according to the article. So why would it matter?
    You sound suspiciously like a Hillary Clinton supporter.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    I got only one thing to say. Thank God for Fisher House........When my wife was suffering from stage 4 Ovarian Cancer in 1998 (which she beat) I stayed at a Fisher House for 10 days. They provided tons of food for free and I stayed in a 1 bedroom, living room, bathroom and Kitchen for 10 dollars a night. The people at Fisher House are Angels, God Bless them.

    Its still hard to believe that Obama would not provide for those service men families. Just more proof that he has total disdain for our military.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You sound suspiciously like a Hillary Clinton supporter.
    Trust me she is.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

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    You sound suspiciously like a Hillary Clinton supporter.
    I am. In fact, I would have voted for her. I can't stand Obama. I think Hillary would have pushed through a real UHC, not renamed Republican bull that is Obamacare.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I am. In fact, I would have voted for her. I can't stand Obama. I think Hillary would have pushed through a real UHC, not renamed Republican bull that is Obamacare.
    How could anyone who calls themselves slightly conservative vote for the biggest Liberal ever to run for president. How about naming jus one issue she is conservative on?
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    How could anyone who calls themselves slightly conservative vote for the biggest Liberal ever to run for president. How about naming jus one issue she is conservative on?
    I don't vote based on what my lean is. I vote on who I feel will take care of the most issues I care about at a time. Especially Presidents, since they only have a max of 8 years. Things take time and unlike most, I absolutely understand this. I don't agree with either side 100%, but I have yet to see any politician with any chance of making it to President that I agree with even 80% on most issues.
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