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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    That's not surprising at all and I suspected as much when the military didn't want flag drapped "coffins" being in the newspaper. It's because with enough eyes on it someone might have noticed something suspicious.

    But hey we can never cut military spending. What I find remarkable though is that despite all the claims about waste in Medicare or S.S. we rarely if ever get reports of widespread abuse and waste. In the military we get some new story at least once a month, but often much more frequently.
    It really surprised me. Now the ceremony, knowing it is for an empty coffin, will never be the same. Isn't there a better way to honor the fallen?

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Please read this. It's something I certainly never knew about and doubt you did either. I'd be interested in your opinion, Thanks.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    As her POA, I just received Mom's death benefit for Dad yesterday..
    He died June of last year..
    The backlog is not a partisan issue either but be my guest.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    After getting all he wanted in Ryan's budget last May, Cantor could have allowed a clean CR, but he invoked their "False Equivalency' statute..
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It really surprised me. Now the ceremony, knowing it is for an empty coffin, will never be the same. Isn't there a better way to honor the fallen?
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As her POA, I just received Mom's death benefit for Dad yesterday..
    He died June of last year..
    The backlog is not a partisan issue either but be my guest.
    I was actually referring to dicking around with the remains. I couldn't care less about political involvement (and would frankly doubt any) - this is done by people who should know better.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As her POA, I just received Mom's death benefit for Dad yesterday..
    He died June of last year..
    The backlog is not a partisan issue either but be my guest.
    And you think they can handle your healthcare?

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    The Feds are not handling the Healthcare of my worthless retired a$s..
    My older wife is still teaching thank you very much.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    I got a 15-page letter today stamped 10-3-13 from the VA for Mom..
    Most would agree that this shutdown has been inconsistent, with many folks working and so on..
    Very messy and I don't know the 'real' conversations between what the House, Senate and WH have privately agreed to fund, changes every day.
    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I was actually referring to dicking around with the remains. I couldn't care less about political involvement (and would frankly doubt any) - this is done by people who should know better.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Please read this. It's something I certainly never knew about and doubt you did either. I'd be interested in your opinion, Thanks.

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    In all honesty, I feel that funerals and such are for the family left behind and them being able to remember their loved one. I think in all honesty, the flying bodies home (or pretending to) and the like is more for the media and the public, and it has been going on for a while. I don't believe I would be all that upset if the military had my husband somewhere here in the states for a while before releasing the body and pretended to fly him home at a time I could make it. In fact, I would rather they simply say "hey, now we will release your husband's body to you". Sure I'm going to be upset my husband is dead, and I would want his body treated with dignity, but I don't need all the "pomp and circumstance". It isn't necessary. And putting on a show about his body "coming home" really isn't undignified, just unnecessary. The problem is I believe the media, politicians, and even the public want that "pomp and circumstance", probably a lot more than most families.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Nonsense. They were in the past. What, in your opinion, changed? During the struggle to keep people like me on active duty they were included as a part of the discussion on the portions of my pay and allowances I might not be familiar with. Was I being lied to then? Or am I being lied to now?
    Why would that keep you in? When did you serve?

    I started out when the SGLI was either $200K or $250K. That was plenty for my family, parents at the time. Then it got upped to $400K. Plenty for my husband and kids now to bounce back without me. Same for me should it be my husband. I was only told about extra money at death being a certain number of months worth of pays and certain allowances paid to whoever I designated on my Page 2, something I figured was just extra. I didn't even know it was paid so soon after death. I always figured it was likely to come after the SGLI payment, because the military has been notorious from what I have seen in my career for requiring so much paperwork for "extra" benefits, that it takes forever to get them.

    And I'm not sure you quite understood what I was saying. I'm saying that they are not budgeted under normal pay and allowances for military personnel in all likelihood. Given the current issue we saw, it would seem this is true and it makes sense. Why budget death benefits with normal pay? How would you even determine how many people would be likely to die and require those death benefits within a given month? It seems much more like it would be a "just in case" budget item, rather than an item included under pay and allowances in the budget.
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