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Thread: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Not really. What's pathetic is the no. of idiots still wanting to join the military.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post


    Obama's golf course is open but he can't pay for funerals of military KIA

    He's an evil scumbag and so are his supporters
    The GOP is no different. The ideal situation is for both the golf course and military to be disbanded.

    Wasting taxpayer money on foreign invasions/interventions is not the proper role of govt. in a free society.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No one knew of these death benefits? Those 'very small percentage of the people' you refer to are those who died fighting and dying for their country,
    WRONG. In the modern world, no one in the US military fights for his country. They fight for their govt.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Death benefits are not part of normal pay and allowances for the budget. They are part of our benefits. But they also set them at a certain amount for pretty much everyone, apparently, $100K. That is more than a year's worth of pay and bah for the vast majority of junior sailors, those most likely to die.
    Nonsense. They were in the past. What, in your opinion, changed? During the struggle to keep people like me on active duty they were included as a part of the discussion on the portions of my pay and allowances I might not be familiar with. Was I being lied to then? Or am I being lied to now?

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    WRONG. In the modern world, no one in the US military fights for his country. They fight for their govt.
    This is why I believe the people currently on active duty will fire on Americans when they are told to do so.
    All we need now is for the officers to swear allegiance to Obama.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because Congress is in charge of budgeting the military. They in fact each have a committee specifically for our Armed Forces, and the House's committee is responsible for funding it. Congress is responsible for thinking about these consequences. They are responsible for paying for our government.

    Not including money to at least cover some funeral arrangements for families is a mistake, even if it wouldn't have been the entire $100K for each.
    Please read this. It's something I certainly never knew about and doubt you did either. I'd be interested in your opinion, Thanks.

    The Play's The Thing | National Review Online

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    WRONG. In the modern world, no one in the US military fights for his country. They fight for their govt.
    In fact that may be too simplistic as well.

    Perhaps people fight for their culture, a way of life they understand and don't want changed.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    This is why I believe the people currently on active duty will fire on Americans when they are told to do so.
    All we need now is for the officers to swear allegiance to Obama.
    That's certainly happened in other places, East Germany for one. They pick those who ask no questions but stick squarely to the orders given. It can happen anywhere and any time.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Please read this. It's something I certainly never knew about and doubt you did either. I'd be interested in your opinion, Thanks.

    The Play's The Thing | National Review Online
    That's not surprising at all and I suspected as much when the military didn't want flag drapped "coffins" being in the newspaper. It's because with enough eyes on it someone might have noticed something suspicious.

    But hey we can never cut military spending. What I find remarkable though is that despite all the claims about waste in Medicare or S.S. we rarely if ever get reports of widespread abuse and waste. In the military we get some new story at least once a month, but often much more frequently.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Funding one bill at a time will lead to the side with the majority in the House to simply refuse to fund or even hear a bill to fund anything they do not want to fund. There would be nothing either the Senate or the President could do. This would give them a lot of power, a lot more than any other part of our government.
    Well that's an interesting claim. Is that what we saw in the 200-odd years that we funded government in that fashion?

    Funding government one bill at a time is not only the way we were set up to do things - it's also good governance. I'm not saying that Republicans are doing it because it's good governance, but by accident they appear to have ended up there. Giant must-pass last-minute omnibus bills that anyone can hang anything on is a process of crises governance, and crises governance is typically bad governance.

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