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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    My husband and I have both been entitled to these benefits and both still are (me if I get called up for duty), although neither of us is likely to need this. But I had no idea that this was the actual benefit til this came up. Neither did many people, just look at all those on here who thought it was the SGLI that was being withheld. I knew that our family got more than just SGLI, but I always thought it was paid out a lot further down the line, like most things in the military. I didn't know they gave the money, particularly that much, to work out funeral arrangements and such. That is a lot for funeral arrangements, even with air fairs and the such.

    But I do know that the military will help anyone make arrangements. Or at least the commands are supposed to. They are called a "Casualty Assistance Officer" or "Casualty Assistance Call Officer". They are assigned to the family for an infinite period of time.

    http://www.militaryonesource.mil/mcf...6629,36.15.30.
    You didn't know the benefits because you didn't have to. It wasn't your responsibility.

    But as CPWill has pointed out, Obama and his Administration did this for the publicity it would receive and thought people would point their fingers at his political enemies, just as many have. The same happened with the National Parks when they trapped international tourists and wouldn't let them look at the scenery or even use the bathrooms.. But can you, in all fair-mindedness, attack Republicans for the policies the Obama Administration initiated?

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Funding one bill at a time will lead to the side with the majority in the House to simply refuse to fund or even hear a bill to fund anything they do not want to fund. There would be nothing either the Senate or the President could do. This would give them a lot of power, a lot more than any other part of our government.
    It would also allow the people to see just how their money is being spent and how much of the budget is pork.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You didn't know the benefits because you didn't have to. It wasn't your responsibility.

    But as CPWill has pointed out, Obama and his Administration did this for the publicity it would receive and thought people would point their fingers at his political enemies, just as many have. The same happened with the National Parks when they trapped international tourists and wouldn't let them look at the scenery or even use the bathrooms.. But can you, in all fair-mindedness, attack Republicans for the policies the Obama Administration initiated?
    I can say that Congress should have caught it. They wrote the bill. They should have known about this flaw in it. I am not just blaming Republicans. There are plenty of Dems on those two committees as well. I am blaming Congress. They determine the budget allocation for the military, not the President. Congress caused the shutdown.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It would also allow the people to see just how their money is being spent and how much of the budget is pork.
    At the expense of hurting a lot of people, depending on who has control of the House. It would not be worth it.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I can say that Congress should have caught it. They wrote the bill. They should have known about this flaw in it. I am not just blaming Republicans. There are plenty of Dems on those two committees as well. I am blaming Congress. They determine the budget allocation for the military, not the President. Congress caused the shutdown.
    Why Congress?? Why not the people in charge???

    And why is it a flaw?

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why Congress?? Why not the people in charge???

    And why is it a flaw?
    Because Congress is in charge of budgeting the military. They in fact each have a committee specifically for our Armed Forces, and the House's committee is responsible for funding it. Congress is responsible for thinking about these consequences. They are responsible for paying for our government.

    Not including money to at least cover some funeral arrangements for families is a mistake, even if it wouldn't have been the entire $100K for each.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I can say that Congress should have caught it. They wrote the bill. They should have known about this flaw in it. I am not just blaming Republicans. There are plenty of Dems on those two committees as well. I am blaming Congress. They determine the budget allocation for the military, not the President. Congress caused the shutdown.
    Congress may well have written the Bill but that does not mean they maintain the responsibility of maintaining it. Once it leaves their hands it falls to other departments, and why there is a bureaucracy in place with various leaders intended to oversee these bureaucracies, and to be sure they are run responsibly.

    In this case it was the Commander in Chief, Barrack Obama, and his appointee Chuck Hagel, who should have been on top of it. Hagel should certainly be fired but we know there is little now that can be done about Barrack Obama.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The money for the death benefit comes from DOD funding, not any sort of insurance plan. So yes, the shutdown would affect the ability to pay for death benefits when it isn't technically money to operate the military. (Which they are working on fixing now anyway.)
    "SEC. 2. CONTINUING APPROPRIATIONS FOR MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES.

    (a) In General- There are hereby appropriated for fiscal year 2014, out of any money in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, for any period during which interim or full-year appropriations for fiscal year 2014 are not in effect--

    (1) such sums as are necessary to provide pay and allowances to members of the Armed Forces (as defined in section 101(a)(4) of title 10, United States Code), including reserve components thereof, who perform active service during such period;"

    This was passed by both chambers of the Congress and the President signed it into law. When I was on active duty in the death benefit was explained to me as part of my pay and allowances. Did something change?

    Why would Obama's henchmen choose a strict interpretation that would deny caring for the families of men and women who died while serving their country? I believe I know the reason.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    "SEC. 2. CONTINUING APPROPRIATIONS FOR MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES.

    (a) In General- There are hereby appropriated for fiscal year 2014, out of any money in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, for any period during which interim or full-year appropriations for fiscal year 2014 are not in effect--

    (1) such sums as are necessary to provide pay and allowances to members of the Armed Forces (as defined in section 101(a)(4) of title 10, United States Code), including reserve components thereof, who perform active service during such period;"

    This was passed by both chambers of the Congress and the President signed it into law. When I was on active duty in the death benefit was explained to me as part of my pay and allowances. Did something change?

    Why would Obama's henchmen choose a strict interpretation that would deny caring for the families of men and women who died while serving their country? I believe I know the reason.

    Is this country doomed? Are we heading for the ash heap of history? Have liberty and freedom been extinguished before our very eyes?
    Death benefits are not part of normal pay and allowances for the budget. They are part of our benefits. But they also set them at a certain amount for pretty much everyone, apparently, $100K. That is more than a year's worth of pay and bah for the vast majority of junior sailors, those most likely to die.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Congress may well have written the Bill but that does not mean they maintain the responsibility of maintaining it. Once it leaves their hands it falls to other departments, and why there is a bureaucracy in place with various leaders intended to oversee these bureaucracies, and to be sure they are run responsibly.

    In this case it was the Commander in Chief, Barrack Obama, and his appointee Chuck Hagel, who should have been on top of it. Hagel should certainly be fired but we know there is little now that can be done about Barrack Obama.
    They were informed that the bill did not cover the death benefits, and that this would be a result of the shutdown.
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