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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Who do you think might be expected to be aware of this funding if not the Commander in Chief and the Secretary of Defense? It might be time to 'name names'.


    Do you think someone knowledgeable, whoever that might be, might have taken the time to remind Obama and Hagel that obligations are in place when members of the military are killed in action?
    How about the House Armed Services Committee and the Senate Committee on Armed Services?

    United States House Committee on Armed Services - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "It is responsible for funding and oversight of the Department of Defense (DOD) and the United States armed forces,"

    United States Senate Committee on Armed Services - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "The Committee on Armed Services is a committee of the United States Senate empowered with legislative oversight of the nation's military, including the Department of Defense, military research and development, nuclear energy (as pertaining to national security), benefits for members of the military, the Selective Service System and other matters related to defense policy. "

    This is why I hold Congress, not the President, responsible for this oversight. They are the ones that should have known how military families make it to funerals. And since those bills start in the House, then the House is the one that should have ensured it was done right. That is where I would place the blame.

    At the current time, Rep. Buck McKeon (R) is the chair for the House Committte, and Sen. Carl Levin (D) is the chair for the Senate Committee. 26 Senators and 62 Representatives. But their fellow Congressmen should have been the first people asking to ensure that they covered everything.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I believe Congress has already resolved this issue. It wasn't politically driven. Compensation of various natures is simply not authorized right now.
    The problem is that the bill that covered this was parsed by the Administration to be gray on the subject of death benefits and it chose that the death benefits wouldn't be paid.

    This is utter bullsh*t because this administration has shown exactly zero reservations in interpreting gray areas laws in their favor before... but here they could have authorized the benefits and NOBODY would complain and he chose to force the pain.

    In other words, the President is a small sh*tty excuse for a human being.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, it simply isn't their job to know exactly where every bit of money goes for the military nor what every single compensation is that military members get. They have the upper leadership of the military that is right below them to do that stuff. Most people in the military don't realize how the funeral pay works, so why should the President? Honestly, people are expecting way too much here. The Defense Committee of Congress should in fact be more informed about what pay and benefits, including funeral benefits, the military personnel get than the President should be.
    So their excuse is ignorance? Perhaps people are expecting too much from their government, which is why it's surprising they want more of it.

    It's interesting to watch how people squirm in order to defend the indefensible.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So their excuse is ignorance? Perhaps people are expecting too much from their government, which is why it's surprising they want more of it.

    It's interesting to watch how people squirm in order to defend the indefensible.
    People do have way too high of expectations for certain positions or people in government. The government is huge and there is a lot going on. No one person knows everything that is happening in every part of our government.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    People do have way too high of expectations for certain positions or people in government. The government is huge and there is a lot going on. No one person knows everything that is happening in every part of our government.
    While that is true enough, there are certainly those higher up who should know that the families of those military members KIA are allowed certain benefits. Why should a fact like that be so difficult to know? It is n small deal.

    In fact there were similar excuses after Benghazi, which is why only experienced people should be elected and appointed to higher office. Not too much should be expected from Community Organizers.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    While that is true enough, there are certainly those higher up who should know that the families of those military members KIA are allowed certain benefits. Why should a fact like that be so difficult to know? It is n small deal.

    In fact there were similar excuses after Benghazi, which is why only experienced people should be elected and appointed to higher office. Not too much should be expected from Community Organizers.
    And the vast majority believe that this benefit is the SGLI. They believe, as do many servicemembers, that the military will take care of all the arrangements and transportation for the funeral and their family members. No one really even knew about this extra death benefit, particularly not the amount, til now when it came up, unless they were a recipient of that death benefit, which for the overall population, is a very small percentage of the people.

    And why is it that the Congressmen did not know about the death benefits and realize that it would not be covered by the bill they wrote? Do all those in Congress not have the proper experience to be there either?
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And the vast majority believe that this benefit is the SGLI. They believe, as do many servicemembers, that the military will take care of all the arrangements and transportation for the funeral and their family members. No one really even knew about this extra death benefit, particularly not the amount, til now when it came up, unless they were a recipient of that death benefit, which for the overall population, is a very small percentage of the people.

    And why is it that the Congressmen did not know about the death benefits and realize that it would not be covered by the bill they wrote? Do all those in Congress not have the proper experience to be there either?
    No one knew of these death benefits? Those 'very small percentage of the people' you refer to are those who died fighting and dying for their country, under the direction of their Commander In Cheif, Barrack Obama, and their surviving family members.

    Barrack Obama keeps screwing up and screwing up, over and over again, and yet the blame is always cast elsewhere. Has the country gone completely bonkers?

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which would still be after the fact.
    Not really. The Pentagon warned the administration that this would happen in late September.

    And no matter what people think, we should not be funding this government one bill at a time
    On the contrary - that is precisely how we should be funding this government. In that manner we can actually look at and debate each major spending priority, giving it the focus it deserves and needs, rather than having a single must-pass piece of legislation upon which any congresscritter can attach any piece of pork they like without being noticed or commented upon.

    The GOP is using the troops to get what they want.
    Yeah? Tell me more about how the GOP is threatening people's social security, Medicare, etc, instead of passing bills precisely to fund the troops - including death benefits - only to watch them get delayed or dismissed by Democrats?

    This is the administrations' approach:

    ...On October 8, Obama was asked by Mark Knoller of CBS if he was “tempted” to sign the numerous funding bills passed by the GOP-controlled House that would greatly alleviate the pain of the shutdown. Republicans have voted to reopen parks, fund cancer trials for children at the NIH, and to keep FEMA and the FDA going through this partial shutdown. But Obama has threatened to veto any such efforts, effectively keeping the Senate from considering the legislation.

    “Of course I’m tempted” to sign those bills, Obama explained. “But here’s the problem. What you’ve seen are bills that come up wherever Republicans are feeling political pressure, they put a bill forward. And if there’s no political heat, if there’s no television story on it, then nothing happens.”

    Obama’s answer dragged on, as all of Obama’s answers do. But the point was made. For the first time in American history, a president confessed to deliberately hurting his country to score points against his enemies....

    Take the places where the GOP is trying to take care of people in general and the troops in particula and cank them, so that those people will get hurt, get put on television, and make Republicans look bad by implication.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No one knew of these death benefits? Those 'very small percentage of the people' you refer to are those who died fighting and dying for their country, under the direction of their Commander In Cheif, Barrack Obama, and their surviving family members.

    Barrack Obama keeps screwing up and screwing up, over and over again, and yet the blame is always cast elsewhere. Has the country gone completely bonkers?
    My husband and I have both been entitled to these benefits and both still are (me if I get called up for duty), although neither of us is likely to need this. But I had no idea that this was the actual benefit til this came up. Neither did many people, just look at all those on here who thought it was the SGLI that was being withheld. I knew that our family got more than just SGLI, but I always thought it was paid out a lot further down the line, like most things in the military. I didn't know they gave the money, particularly that much, to work out funeral arrangements and such. That is a lot for funeral arrangements, even with air fairs and the such.

    But I do know that the military will help anyone make arrangements. Or at least the commands are supposed to. They are called a "Casualty Assistance Officer" or "Casualty Assistance Call Officer". They are assigned to the family for an infinite period of time.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Not really. The Pentagon warned the administration that this would happen in late September.



    On the contrary - that is precisely how we should be funding this government. In that manner we can actually look at and debate each major spending priority, giving it the focus it deserves and needs, rather than having a single must-pass piece of legislation upon which any congresscritter can attach any piece of pork they like without being noticed or commented upon.



    Yeah? Tell me more about how the GOP is threatening people's social security, Medicare, etc, instead of passing bills precisely to fund the troops - including death benefits - only to watch them get delayed or dismissed by Democrats?

    This is the administrations' approach:

    ...On October 8, Obama was asked by Mark Knoller of CBS if he was “tempted” to sign the numerous funding bills passed by the GOP-controlled House that would greatly alleviate the pain of the shutdown. Republicans have voted to reopen parks, fund cancer trials for children at the NIH, and to keep FEMA and the FDA going through this partial shutdown. But Obama has threatened to veto any such efforts, effectively keeping the Senate from considering the legislation.

    “Of course I’m tempted” to sign those bills, Obama explained. “But here’s the problem. What you’ve seen are bills that come up wherever Republicans are feeling political pressure, they put a bill forward. And if there’s no political heat, if there’s no television story on it, then nothing happens.”

    Obama’s answer dragged on, as all of Obama’s answers do. But the point was made. For the first time in American history, a president confessed to deliberately hurting his country to score points against his enemies....

    Take the places where the GOP is trying to take care of people in general and the troops in particula and cank them, so that those people will get hurt, get put on television, and make Republicans look bad by implication.
    Funding one bill at a time will lead to the side with the majority in the House to simply refuse to fund or even hear a bill to fund anything they do not want to fund. There would be nothing either the Senate or the President could do. This would give them a lot of power, a lot more than any other part of our government.
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