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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    You just can't help yourself

    It wasn't overlooked in the first bill. Only a dictator tyrant a%%hole would have interpreted it that way to where he didn't have to pay them

    You're a shill for that dictator tyrant a%%hole

    Nothing more needs to be said
    It was overlooked because it is not normally a part of an base operational budget, but extra since it is more than most of those killed make in a year of service given to their families at one time. It is part of a normal yearly DOD total budget, but not their base operational budget, which is what was signed into law to ensure the military was paid.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It was overlooked because it is not normally a part of an base operational budget, but extra since it is more than most of those killed make in a year of service given to their families at one time. It is part of a normal yearly DOD total budget, but not their base operational budget, which is what was signed into law to ensure the military was paid.
    Yea sure it was

    I'm sure if you were Commander in Chief and you were warned about it days in advance, you would have sat around and done nothing too

    Obama ignores laws he doesn't like all the time, yet here you are pretending he was "only following the law" when the people who wrote the law NEVER intended military families not to be paid their benefits. It was Obama (because he is a scumbag with no soul and you support him) that deliberately interpreted the law that way so he wouldn't have to pay them. All for political theatre.

    About as disgusting as it gets

    Why do you support that?

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Yea sure it was

    I'm sure if you were Commander in Chief and you were warned about it days in advance, you would have sat around and done nothing too

    Obama ignores laws he doesn't like all the time, yet here you are pretending he was "only following the law" when the people who wrote the law NEVER intended the military families wouldn't be paid their benefits. It was Obama (because he is a scumbag with no soul and you support him) that deliberately interpreted the law that way so he wouldn't have to pay them. All for political theatre.

    About as disgusting as it gets

    Why do you support that?
    Your partisanship is well noted. You can't even see that the ones at fault are in fact those in Congress, not Obama. Those in Congress ignored it too, and there are many more of them to catch it.

    Prove that Obama knew that this would be an issue before he read/signed the bill that paid the soldiers.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Your partisanship is well noted. You can't even see that the ones at fault are in fact those in Congress, not Obama. Those in Congress ignored it too, and there are many more of them to catch it.

    Prove that Obama knew that this would be an issue before he read/signed the bill that paid the soldiers.
    Wrong

    Congress offered several appropriations bills that would have funded this

    Obama/Reid - "We won't negotiate"

    Remember Reid also said "Why would I want to do that?" when asked why children's cancer treatment shouldn't be funded with an appropriations bill

    And trust me, your Obama worship is WELL NOTED

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Wrong

    Congress offered several appropriations bills that would have funded this

    Obama/Reid - "We won't negotiate"

    Remember Reid also said "Why would I want to do that?" when asked why children's cancer treatment shouldn't be funded with an appropriations bill

    And trust me, your Obama worship is WELL NOTED
    well the house gop did this

    The House GOP's Little Rule Change That Guaranteed A Shutdown

    Here's what happened.

    The House and Senate were at an impasse on the night of Sept. 30. The House's then-most-recent ploy for extracting Obamacare concessions from Senate Democrats and the White House -- by eliminating health insurance subsidies for Congress members and their staffs -- had been rejected by the Senate. The 'clean' Senate spending bill was back in the House's court.

    With less than two hours to midnight and shutdown, Speaker John Boehner's latest plan emerged. House Republicans would "insist" on their latest spending bill, including the anti-Obamacare provision, and request a conference with the Senate to resolve the two chambers' differences.

    Under normal House rules, according to House Democrats, once that bill had been rejected again by the Senate, then any member of the House could have made a motion to vote on the Senate's bill. Such a motion would have been what is called "privileged" and entitled to a vote of the full House. At that point, Democrats say, they could have joined with moderate Republicans in approving the motion and then in passing the clean Senate bill, averting a shutdown.

    But previously, House Republicans had made a small but hugely consequential move to block them from doing it.

    Here's the rule in question:

    When the stage of disagreement has been reached on a bill or resolution with House or Senate amendments, a motion to dispose of any amendment shall be privileged.

    In other words, if the House and Senate are gridlocked as they were on the eve of the shutdown, any motion from any member to end that gridlock should be allowed to proceed. Like, for example, a motion to vote on the Senate bill. That's how House Democrats read it.

    But the House Rules Committee voted the night of Sept. 30 to change that rule for this specific bill. They added language dictating that any motion "may be offered only by the majority Leader or his designee."

    So unless House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) wanted the Senate spending bill to come to the floor, it wasn't going to happen. And it didn't.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Wrong

    Congress offered several appropriations bills that would have funded this

    Obama/Reid - "We won't negotiate"

    Remember Reid also said "Why would I want to do that?" when asked why children's cancer treatment shouldn't be funded with an appropriations bill

    And trust me, your Obama worship is WELL NOTED
    And they did so knowing that they were basically blackmailing the rest of Congress and the President into not funding Obamacare simply because they are looking for anything they can to get it gone.

    I honestly don't think we should be federally funding cancer research to begin with. And if I got what I wanted, no children would have to worry about treatment because it would be paid for through an NHC. But Republicans don't want that. In fact, they would rather have mandatory health insurance than universal healthcare. They're mainly pissed because it included putting more people on Medicaid and put more regulation on the insurance industry to ensure everyone could get healthcare without costing extreme amounts. Oh, and that the Democrats could claim it rather than them.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Your partisanship is well noted. You can't even see that the ones at fault are in fact those in Congress, not Obama. Those in Congress ignored it too, and there are many more of them to catch it.

    Prove that Obama knew that this would be an issue before he read/signed the bill that paid the soldiers.
    Are you trying to say that had no idea that there was a possibility that soldiers could be KIA?

    Since you're using the stupidity defense of The One, your partisanship is noted.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Are you trying to say that had no idea that there was a possibility that soldiers could be KIA?

    Since you're using the stupidity defense of The One, your partisanship is noted.
    They failed to realize that soldiers being killed meant additional money being paid out to them. Like most Americans, even many who have heavy military connections, the average Congressman probably didn't even realize that these servicemembers' families got paid an extra $100K beyond their $400K SGLIs. Even you did not realize the difference til I pointed it out earlier in the thread. In post #27, you claimed this was the SGLI rather than the actual death benefit.
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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They failed to realize that soldiers being killed meant additional money being paid out to them. Like most Americans, even many who have heavy military connections, the average Congressman probably didn't even realize that these servicemembers' families got paid an extra $100K beyond their $400K SGLIs. Even you did not realize the difference til I pointed it out earlier in the thread. In post #27, you claimed this was the SGLI rather than the actual death benefit.
    You mean the president and the SECDEF didn't know?!?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Shutdown outrage: Military death benefits denied to families of fallen troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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