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Why Are American Women Living 5 Years Less than Their Mothers?

The first article clearly states that women trade of career work hours for household/caregiving work hours. This is not the argument that was being made.

The second argument makes the point that women who do traditionally male oriented jobs do less housework. Again, this is a trade off argument when the original argument was an addition argument.

And all still state that women still do more than men. It isn't too hard to see if you are actually doing it. Even when I work while my husband is off, much of the housework is left up to me.

If you don't believe that women do more housework than men, disproportionate to how much each work in outside jobs, then you prove otherwise. I know what I am saying is true, despite you constantly trying to nitpick that it isn't.
 
And all still state that women still do more than men. It isn't too hard to see if you are actually doing it. Even when I work while my husband is off, much of the housework is left up to me.

If you don't believe that women do more housework than men, disproportionate to how much each work in outside jobs, then you prove otherwise. I know what I am saying is true, despite you constantly trying to nitpick that it isn't.

Nope, they say that women do more housework, neither actually make the argument that women actually do more work.
 
Really, because they are fat? Not because they aren't religious? I dunno seems like a fishy answer to me, didn't Noah live to be like 900? Its right there in the Bible.
What?.....What does that have to do with the current topic? Oh! It was a sad attempt at being inflammatory.
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In which case they have to go through a court anyways and they get half as well as court mandated child support payments. Divorced women raising their kids isn't 0.1% of the problem we are referring to here.

really?!?!!? You simply dismiss the impact of divorce on women and children!?!?!?!? :shock::doh what is the problem that "we" are referring to here?
 
OK, now present the statistics that show single moms live shorter lives.

First, I do not remember making that statement. I simply said that women having to both work and raise children and do the household chores is taking a toll on them.

Second, since the social development of the modern single mother is a recent one, we do not yet have reliable statistics over any suitable length of time to make that firm determination. But them, you probably knew that which is why you also probably asked a question that you knew did not have the evidence you requested.
 
First, I do not remember making that statement. I simply said that women having to both work and raise children and do the household chores is taking a toll on them.


YOu made that point as an explanation why the women's life expectancy if decreasing. In context it very much sounds like you were making the point that single moms live shorter lives.

Second, since the social development of the modern single mother is a recent one, we do not yet have reliable statistics over any suitable length of time to make that firm determination. But them, you probably knew that which is why you also probably asked a question that you knew did not have the evidence you requested.

Are you serious? There have been a whole passel of single mothers following every America war, and birth out of wedlock is as old as history. There is easily enough examples of single motherhood since WWII to do the proper statistics.
 
Like it's women's fault that so many men are immature, so do not take any responsibility for their fatherhood?

No, women are never at fault. Never.
 
LowDown said:
Why Are American Women Living 5 Years Less than Their Mothers?
Short answer... They're not.
 
Word. My grand-aunt is 102 years old and is but a shadow of the formidable woman she used to be. Stuck in a wheelchair, almost totally deaf, she spends most of her days staring out into space and drooling. It's sad...

My poor grammy is starting to get a touch of dementia I think. It's really sad.
 
Where her parents left off?

What - if my daughter is pregnant I'm supposed to support her and the child?
Well in all fairness if the kid is under-aged, Hell yes, it should be the responsibility of the parents of the daughter and the parents of the under-aged sperm donor. And if the sperm donor is legally an adult then we have a whole new set of circumstances .

But the majority of unwed mothers TODAY are in their twenties. My GAWD Aunt Spiker what the Hell is going on? Either young women in general are absolute idiots and find it too taxing to use birth control or they are scamming the system or better yet their partner. I think a lot of these births out of wedlock are occurring in live in relationships with no commitment. Maybe she thinks a baby would make it result into a committed relationship. Or she and her partner (legally uncommitted) would like a child but by remaining single, the government picks up the tab for prenatal, birth etc and gives her countless benefits based on her income only. Then her live in lover works and contributes to their family income but it doesn't go against the amount of benefits she receives from the taxpayers making life pretty good for the both of them.
I WILL - but that's because, when I was in that same position, my parent's DIDN'T. If a kid is so stupid that they are in that type of situation then they are not capable of being on their own. The kid (child) will only suffer.
I think any mother with half a heart feels the same.
It's not a requirement, though . . . what we really should do is encourage wise decision making, improved values of self worth, reducing risky behaviors, and other such things that create the situation to begin with.
Instead, when you suggest to people that we should start to push against promiscuous sex, etc, they get defensive. They'll argue that "sex is natural and we shouldn't discourage it, because that won't work anyway, they'll do what they want."
Oh I am all for encouraging wise decision making but due to the state of our society too many no longer believe in personal responsibility so that pretty well nixes that one.
Well, it might not have worked for me, but it worked for my sisters.

But I'd rather such mothers be on government assistance than in a **** marriage. That's what happened to me and it was hell to escape from.

This is where you and I truly disagree. Only when people are forced to take full responsibility for their choices will things change.

It is unfair to others who did make good choices in life to continually be left with the tab to clean up the mistakes of others.

The sooner our youth learn that lesson the better. And a study that shows women who do not pursue an education, become a single parent living a life destined to poverty and shaving years off her life expectancy is a good place to start to make that point.
 
really?!?!!? You simply dismiss the impact of divorce on women and children!?!?!?!? :shock::doh what is the problem that "we" are referring to here?

I'm not simply dismissing it. Divorce is horrible, but single parent homes out of wedlock are 1000x worse. And don't be naive, divorce affects men too. If anything I personally know more people where the wife left the guy then the other way around, that's just me.
 
YOu made that point as an explanation why the women's life expectancy if decreasing. In context it very much sounds like you were making the point that single moms live shorter lives.



Are you serious? There have been a whole passel of single mothers following every America war, and birth out of wedlock is as old as history. There is easily enough examples of single motherhood since WWII to do the proper statistics.

Feel free to present verifiable evidence on both your allegations and claims. And that includes my previous posts which you apparently feel free to interpret and characterize but are fairly powerless to quote.

And then tell us how the role of the American woman and mother has not changed drastically since the last world war that you referred to. I would love to see that information.
 
Feel free to present verifiable evidence on both your allegations and claims. And that includes my previous posts which you apparently feel free to interpret and characterize but are fairly powerless to quote.

And then tell us how the role of the American woman and mother has not changed drastically since the last world war that you referred to. I would love to see that information.


You have asked me to prove a negative. You are the one who made the positive claim, you are supposed to verify it. Since you refuse to we can accept that your claim is gratuitous and can be refuted with an equally gratuitous assertion... here goes: NUH UH!

Aren't debate rules marvelous?
 
You have asked me to prove a negative. You are the one who made the positive claim, you are supposed to verify it. Since you refuse to we can accept that your claim is gratuitous and can be refuted with an equally gratuitous assertion... here goes: NUH UH!

Aren't debate rules marvelous?

What positive claim did I make? My point was that now there are more women in the workforce working jobs and they still have their previous roles as wives and mothers as well.

Do you dispute that reality?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_workforce

http://www.economist.com/node/15174418

http://www.thelaborsite.com/women1.cfm

http://www.dol.gov/wb/info_about_wb/interwb.htm

http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2002/05/art2full.pdf

http://collegecandy.com/2010/11/03/the-history-of-women-in-the-workplace-infographic/

http://www.onlinemba.com/online-guide-to-women-in-the-workforce-past-and-present/

you wanted evidence. Dive in.

and data on single parenthood and how it impacts women four times more than men

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_parent
 
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I was sarcastically arguing against you.
It was pretty weak. Usually the point of sarcasm is to reference something someone said regarding the current topic. I've said nothing regarding Christianity.
 
What positive claim did I make? My point was that now there are more women in the workforce working jobs and they still have their previous roles as wives and mothers as well.

Do you dispute that reality?

Women in the workforce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Women in the workforce: Female power | The Economist

http://www.thelaborsite.com/women1.cfm

http://www.dol.gov/wb/info_about_wb/interwb.htm

http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2002/05/art2full.pdf

The History of Women in the Workplace [Infographic]

Online Guide to Women in the Workforce: Past and Present - OnlineMBA.com

you wanted evidence. Dive in.

and data on single parenthood and how it impacts women four times more than men

Single parent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You aren't proving the point. Nobody is arguing that there aren't more women working. You are trying to prove that the more women working means overall work burden is higher for women and that that is contributing to declining longevity. You are only proving the point nobody disagrees with.
 
What positive claim did I make? My point was that now there are more women in the workforce working jobs and they still have their previous roles as wives and mothers as well.

Do you dispute that reality?

Women in the workforce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Women in the workforce: Female power | The Economist

http://www.thelaborsite.com/women1.cfm

http://www.dol.gov/wb/info_about_wb/interwb.htm

http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2002/05/art2full.pdf

The History of Women in the Workplace [Infographic]

Online Guide to Women in the Workforce: Past and Present - OnlineMBA.com

you wanted evidence. Dive in.

and data on single parenthood and how it impacts women four times more than men

Single parent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You aren't proving the point. Nobody is arguing that there aren't more women working. You are trying to prove that the more women working means overall work burden is higher for women and that that is contributing to declining longevity. You are only proving the point nobody disagrees with.
 
You aren't proving the point. Nobody is arguing that there aren't more women working. You are trying to prove that the more women working means overall work burden is higher for women and that that is contributing to declining longevity. You are only proving the point nobody disagrees with.

It is in the evidence you asked for. Obviously you did not even read it. So what the hell was the point in asking for it then?
 
The study doesn't mention anything about the marital status of these women. It just says there is a correlation between where they live and their educational levels. My guess would be that these women probably suffer from poverty and therefore lack good nutrition and good choices in general.
 
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