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    Re: Why Are American Women Living 5 Years Less than Their Mothers?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    My great grandmother did plenty of work too. It doesn't mean that she did a hell of a lot more than every single woman that lives in the US today. And their tasks were different as well.

    It is called a "change in expectations". Just because modern conveniences cause less calluses and allow for less active methods of doing tasks, doesn't mean that women now spend a whole helluva lot less time doing the chores.

    But women aren't the only ones who have less calluses today in their jobs compared to the past. Men too also have "modern conveniences" to help them do their jobs with less pain and/or injury than the past. Modern conveniences can make life more efficient.
    Well you have a little bit of a point there. When I first started working in the woods, some old logger from the cross cut era said to me "chainsaw's just a way of getting the work of 10 men out of one".

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    Re: Why Are American Women Living 5 Years Less than Their Mothers?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Well you have a little bit of a point there. When I first started working in the woods, some old logger from the cross cut era said to me "chainsaw's just a way of getting the work of 10 men out of one".
    It is mainly about the raising of expectations. No one would have blinked 100+ years ago about a woman having a "dirty" kitchen or not ensuring that everyone in her house got a bath, with soap, every night or every other night at least, or ensuring that the kids didn't wear dirty clothes to school. Now days, these sort of things can get a family investigated by child services in some parts of the country. (My parents had trouble with a neighbor when I was a teen who called child services on us more than once. During one of those talks, I actually got asked if we always had shampoo in the house. I doubt anybody in the early part of the 20th century would have considered that such a necessity that not having it could get your kids taken from you.)
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    Re: Why Are American Women Living 5 Years Less than Their Mothers?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I gave you a wealth of data and you have not yet used it. Start with that before you beg for more only to ignore that down the road.

    It was explained to you previously but perhaps you also employed your amazing speed reading skills on that also and so missed its import................... here it is again .............

    this is a rather recent sociological phenomena that has only now evidenced itself in the form of actual life and death statistics. It will take a good deal of research to be able to provide the hard and fast proof that you asked for. The facts are rather obvious and do not take a rocket scienstist to figure out:

    *** roles for American women have changed significantly over the last thirty to forty years causing more to be employed outside of the home and fewer stay at home moms or housewives.
    *** at the same time, women are living shorter years on the planet so that their life expectancy is now closer to that of men who also are mostly in the workforce.

    But tell you what I will do for you...... when the definitive study comes out sometimes in the next decade, I will be glad to post it here.................. and fully expect you will ignore that also.

    Oh dear... priceless.

    In your snit you accidentally admitted that there is actually now definitive study that proves your point. Looks like it was a great choice not to waste my time reading all the links you posted to articles that don't support your assertions. But then I already told you what they all say... I'm starting to wonder if you read even as much as I did. Apparently not.

    You have yet to quote one. Wow me with your knowledge of the contents of those articles! Show me YOU read them!

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    Re: Why Are American Women Living 5 Years Less than Their Mothers?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is mainly about the raising of expectations. No one would have blinked 100+ years ago about a woman having a "dirty" kitchen or not ensuring that everyone in her house got a bath, with soap, every night or every other night at least, or ensuring that the kids didn't wear dirty clothes to school. Now days, these sort of things can get a family investigated by child services in some parts of the country. (My parents had trouble with a neighbor when I was a teen who called child services on us more than once. During one of those talks, I actually got asked if we always had shampoo in the house. I doubt anybody in the early part of the 20th century would have considered that such a necessity that not having it could get your kids taken from you.)
    You have worn me down, I give up, you win. But there is still the soap opera issue, it tells me house wives have a lot of free time on their hands. Please don't respond, I surrender.

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    Re: Why Are American Women Living 5 Years Less than Their Mothers?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Oh dear... priceless.

    In your snit you accidentally admitted that there is actually now definitive study that proves your point. Looks like it was a great choice not to waste my time reading all the links you posted to articles that don't support your assertions. But then I already told you what they all say... I'm starting to wonder if you read even as much as I did. Apparently not.

    You have yet to quote one. Wow me with your knowledge of the contents of those articles! Show me YOU read them!
    My point was proven by the volume of information I provided for you earlier and you dismissed in three minutes after not reading it. Now you want me to read them for you, write a summary and use a yellow highlighter to give you only the high points. Sorry pal - but if you want me to teach you at that level of detail with you sitting back on your rear simply soaking it all in - we can arrange for private tutorial rates. I have provided you with the information. Now read it.

    My point has been the same from the start: women are now in the workforce in much larger numbers than sixty years ago and they still have the responsibilities of children and home as well. You were provided with a raft of information supporting this. You have said that you do not dispute this. So what is it that you think is my point?

    Here is what you claimed in your own post #86 was my point

    In context it very much sounds like you were making the point that single moms live shorter lives.
    Which I never said. You want to argue about things I never said nor claimed. Again, please quote me directly (just like I did here for you with exact words and a post number) so we all can see what you think my "point" is.
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    Re: Why Are American Women Living 5 Years Less than Their Mothers?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You have worn me down, I give up, you win. But there is still the soap opera issue, it tells me house wives have a lot of free time on their hands. Please don't respond, I surrender.
    Get with the times, women watch Rachel Ray now.

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    Re: Why Are American Women Living 5 Years Less than Their Mothers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Get with the times, women watch Rachel Ray now.
    Or that other show where four or five women sit around screaming at each other, the "group" or something like that.

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    Re: Why Are American Women Living 5 Years Less than Their Mothers?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    My point was proven by the volume of information I provided for you earlier and you dismissed in three minutes after not reading it. Now you want me to read them for you, write a summary and use a yellow highlighter to give you only the high points. Sorry pal - but if you want me to teach you at that level of detail with you sitting back on your rear simply soaking it all in - we can arrange for private tutorial rates. I have provided you with the information. Now read it.

    Seeing as how you STILL haven't provided a single shred of supporting info from those links it is safe to say that you haven't read the links either. You don't win debates on "volumes of information", the information actually has to support your case. None of your links appear to support your case and I'll be damned if I am going to invest more time in reading your evidence than you have.


    My point has been the same from the start: women are now in the workforce in much larger numbers than sixty years ago and they still have the responsibilities of children and home as well. You were provided with a raft of information supporting this. You have said that you do not dispute this. So what is it that you think is my point?
    And Men are still in the work force more than women and their responsibilities at home have increased and yet their life expectancy isn't declining. And as I showed in the BLS statistics, when you count household chores, child care and work (the three sources of work in your hypothesis) men do more of it than women do all combined. Therefor it is illogical to assume the combination of housework, childcare and job is the cause of a decline in women's life expectancy.

    Here is what you claimed in your own post #86 was my point

    Which I never said. You want to argue about things I never said nor claimed. Again, please quote me directly (just like I did here for you with exact words and a post number) so we all can see what you think my "point" is.

    Hah, how about no. Let me draw your attention to this exchange:

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The combined pressures of being in the workforce plus still having to do the vast majority of the household tasks are taking a toll.
    HAHA! In your house maybe...

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    HAHA! In your house maybe...
    I was speaking about the situation in tens of millions of homes in the USA.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I was speaking about the situation in tens of millions of homes in the USA.
    Are you talking about single parent households?
    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Are you talking about single parent households?
    Women raising kids without a husband in the house.

    So you said yourself that your initial comment of women shouldering more of the work is the cause of their decreasing life expectancy and clarified that you were talking about single mothers.

    Yea... how on Earth could I have possibly construed that to mean that you thought single moms lived shorter lives!? To do that I would have had to interpret your words exactly as you stated them.

    This calls for an eye-roll.

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    Re: Why Are American Women Living 5 Years Less than Their Mothers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Get with the times, women watch Rachel Ray now.
    I'm a housewife right now and have a preschooler at home. If the TV is on, there is a cartoon or other show on it. I generally leave it off though.
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    Re: Why Are American Women Living 5 Years Less than Their Mothers?

    Maybe women today are working too hard. Too many deadbeats.

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