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    Re: Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough at NIF BBC Reports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I assume you are referring to ITER? I thought it had a much longer time frame than that. Even when you achieve ignition you still have a long way to go to turning that into a usable commercial power plant.
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    Re: Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough at NIF BBC Reports

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    I really wanted to bump this. In the grand scheme of things I'd say this has more relevance to our species than any political story of the moment.
    Speaking of things political, since this is a political forum, I'm going to comment on political ramifications.

    First, I'll be very interested to see which entities try to retard progress in this area. A lot of groups would lose a lot of political clout if we moved away from fossil fuels. This would include oil companies, oil producing states and the AGW industry, and a number of academic institutions.

    My guess is that as this technology nears viability, almost insurmountable regulatory roadblocks will arise, as well as vague but passionate "environmental concerns." I expect that there would be calls to delay development to avoid destabilizing parts of the global economy.

    Also, in the same month that we got this news and the "lightsaber" article, I once again find it astonishing that our major existential external threat continues to be the resurgence of a savage medieval social model bent on domination through violence and insane genocide.
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    Re: Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough at NIF BBC Reports

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Regardless of whether it's ever used for energy production, IF true this is a pretty significant scientific achievement.
    No, it's primarily a technological achievement. (Sorry, a personal Crusade. I think that it's very important for people to think of science and technology as often related, but separate things.)
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    Re: Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough at NIF BBC Reports

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    No, it's primarily a technological achievement. (Sorry, a personal Crusade. I think that it's very important for people to think of science and technology as often related, but separate things.)
    I sympathize but wouldn't this be classified as a scientific achievement due to it's experimental nature and its ability to act as a proof of scientific concept?

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    Re: Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough at NIF BBC Reports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The BBC is reporting that sometime in late September an experiment was conducted at the Nuclear Ignition Facility (NIF) in which: The BBC understands that during an experiment in late September, the amount of energy released through the fusion reaction exceeded the amount of energy being absorbed by the fuel - the first time this had been achieved at any fusion facility in the world. This is a step short of the lab's stated goal of "ignition", where nuclear fusion generates as much energy as the lasers supply. This is because known "inefficiencies" in different parts of the system mean not all the energy supplied through the laser is delivered to the fuel. But the latest achievement has been described as the single most meaningful step for fusion in recent years, and demonstrates NIF is well on its way towards the coveted target of ignition and self-sustaining fusion.

    Wow. That is amazing to hear. I remember reading articles about their confidence in the upcoming experiments back in July and August, and the guys at NIF have gotten a ton of flack for their cockiness in the past. But wow.

    BBC News - Nuclear fusion milestone passed at US lab
    Good luck. I'm a big green sustainability nut... And I get tired of "oh this coming down the road is sooooo close..." articles that I'm kind of numb to them.
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    Re: Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough at NIF BBC Reports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I sympathize but wouldn't this be classified as a scientific achievement due to it's experimental nature and its ability to act as a proof of scientific concept?
    A concept of fusion doesn't need to be proven... we've done that ages ago.
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    Re: Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough at NIF BBC Reports

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Good luck. I'm a big green sustainability nut... And I get tired of "oh this coming down the road is sooooo close..." articles that I'm kind of numb to them.
    Yeah, I mean if this does eventually pan out to be energy positive at a cost even remotely competitive with current power sources, that's basically the game right there. But that's still a big if.
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    Re: Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough at NIF BBC Reports

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    A concept of fusion doesn't need to be proven... we've done that ages ago.
    I wasn't referring to fusion I was referring to the controlled replication of it which has require the enormous application of scientific resources over the years.

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    Re: Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough at NIF BBC Reports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
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    e BBC is reporting that sometime in
    late September an experiment was conducted at the Nuclear Ignition Facility (NIF) in which: The BBC understands that during an experiment in late September, the amount of energy released through the fusion reaction exceeded the amount of energy being absorbed by the fuel - the first time this had been achieved at any fusion facility in the world. This is a step short of the lab's stated goal of "ignition", where nuclear fusion generates as much energy as the lasers supply. This is because known "inefficiencies" in different parts of the system mean not all the energy supplied through the laser is delivered to the fuel. But the latest achievement has been described as the single most meaningful step for fusion in recent years, and demonstrates NIF is well on its way towards the coveted target of ignition and self-sustaining fusion.

    Wow. That is amazing to hear. I remember reading articles about their confidence in the upcoming experiments back in July and August, and the guys at NIF have gotten a ton of flack for their cockiness in the past. But wow.

    BBC News - Nuclear fusion milestone passed at US lab
    Lockheed Martin has been one of my customers for going on 10 years now and after reading an article about a fusion reactor they were working on, that could be loaded onto the back of a low boy trailer, I decided to ask around.

    I know a few engineers there. I didn't get a "NO", but they did'nt deny it either.

    Fusion power is still a long ways off but I think eventually it will be a cheap and effective and sustainable power source.

    The European reactor is the only one that's being advertized.

    I promise the US and other Countries have been working towards a fusion reactor for decades
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    Re: Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough at NIF BBC Reports

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The BBC is reporting that sometime in late September an experiment was conducted at the Nuclear Ignition Facility (NIF) in which: The BBC understands that during an experiment in late September, the amount of energy released through the fusion reaction exceeded the amount of energy being absorbed by the fuel - the first time this had been achieved at any fusion facility in the world. This is a step short of the lab's stated goal of "ignition", where nuclear fusion generates as much energy as the lasers supply. This is because known "inefficiencies" in different parts of the system mean not all the energy supplied through the laser is delivered to the fuel. But the latest achievement has been described as the single most meaningful step for fusion in recent years, and demonstrates NIF is well on its way towards the coveted target of ignition and self-sustaining fusion.

    Wow. That is amazing to hear. I remember reading articles about their confidence in the upcoming experiments back in July and August, and the guys at NIF have gotten a ton of flack for their cockiness in the past. But wow.

    BBC News - Nuclear fusion milestone passed at US lab
    That's pretty cool. Thanks for sharing.

    Attaining a sustainable fusion reaction and harnessing it for use is arguably the world scientific community's "holy grail" right now. "Cool" stuff!
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