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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The Vietnamese and Chinese are natural born enemies with each other. Gook hates gook.

    The war clouds are already forming over the South China Sea. The objective are the oil rich Paracel and Spratly islands that Vietnam, the Philippines and China all claim.

    While our navy is being dumbed down and rusting in port unable to put to sea and fight, a naval war is brewing in the South China Sea.
    Don't worry the navy has lasers now.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You've been listening to too many myths.
    ? It's in the Pentagon papers.

    Also, more or less consistent with human behavior throughout history in tough survival situations. Either the potential link to the enemy dies or you potentially die: make a choice.
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    ? It's in the Pentagon papers.

    Also, more or less consistent with human behavior throughout history in tough survival situations. Either the potential link to the enemy dies or you potentially die: make a choice.
    The Pentagon Papers say that American forces intetionally whiped entire hamlets?

    What's next? Winter Soldier?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Militairly it was massive defeat and the Americans would have been able to actually win the war if the Tet Offensive was used to support the war effort.
    And wars are not won on the battlefield.. hence it was a massive victory for the Vietnamese since the support of US military action evaporated and the propaganda victory was massive.. that the US embassy was occupied and that they could hit the US where it hurt, across the country at the same time.. priceless propaganda victory no matter how you slice or dice it.
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And wars are not won on the battlefield.. hence it was a massive victory for the Vietnamese since the support of US military action evaporated and the propaganda victory was massive.. that the US embassy was occupied and that they could hit the US where it hurt, across the country at the same time.. priceless propaganda victory no matter how you slice or dice it.
    Where do you get the idea that wars arent won on the battlefield? Did the allies lose WW1?
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Pentagon Papers say that American forces intetionally whiped entire hamlets?

    What's next? Winter Soldier?
    I don't know about "entire" hamlets.

    It says 10,000 or so civilians got caught in American crossfire of large scale operations "intentionally or accidentally." Third-parties put the number higher, in the tens of thousands. For even the smaller estimation to work out, farms and villages would have to be targets.

    The essential point is that we didn't play nice in our Asian theaters of war. "Nicer" than our enemies by a wide margin, but nothing like in France.
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I don't know about "entire" hamlets.

    It says 10,000 or so civilians got caught in American crossfire of large scale operations "intentionally or accidentally." Third-parties put the number higher, in the tens of thousands. For even the smaller estimation to work out, farms and villages would have to be targets.

    The essential point is that we didn't play nice in our Asian theaters of war. "Nicer" than our enemies by a wide margin, but nothing like in France.
    So, you ARE saying that American forces intetionally exterminated Vietnamese civilians? You should really expand your research and stop looking at history through a knot hole.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Where do you get the idea that wars arent won on the battlefield? Did the allies lose WW1?
    buy a clue
    the USA won most of the battles fought during the vietnam war
    and we still lost
    so much for your battlefield theory
    native opposition to an intruder army trumped it
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    buy a clue
    the USA won most of the battles fought during the vietnam war
    and we still lost
    so much for your battlefield theory
    native opposition to an intruder army trumped it
    Would you be so kind to post the surrender document?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you ARE saying that American forces intetionally exterminated Vietnamese civilians? You should really expand your research and stop looking at history through a knot hole.
    If you say so. I look at history in terms of broad patterns and logistical realities, and broad patterns and logistical realities say they would have had to.
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