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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    No but I am still mourning 58,000 Americans who died in a pointless war for a non-existent threat. Vietnam was a war between the super powers played out in SE Asia so the Generals both could stay safe at home. The people of Vietnam and our own young men were the pawns in murderous chess game that we played until we could stomach it no more.
    On the bright side I am amazed a the resilience of the Vietnamese people and there willingness to forgive and forget the horrible injustice we and the USSR inflicted on their people. If only the people of the Mideast could bury the hatchet so easily.
    The Vietnamese people have shown unbelievable resilience. We have many American soldiers who spent a tour in that hell hole and are still dealing with it. I can't imagine how it must be for the people who lived their lives there. But you don't see resentment towards us. You don't see Vietamese terrorists trying to kill as many Americans as they can. I don't hear about Vietamese people having PTSD but I don't see how they can't.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Yeahbut APACHERAT surfs. Sir Charles don't, according to Robert Duvall.
    But then again.....Robert Duval wasn't in the **** nor like most other sheep without their shepherd.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I doubt it, I was up in I Corps. Wasn't the 129th operating in ll Corps ?

    But the Army crew chief I was refering to was in ll Corps.
    They were. Very impressive that you know that.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The Vietnamese and Chinese are natural born enemies with each other. Gook hates gook.

    The war clouds are already forming over the South China Sea. The objective are the oil rich Paracel and Spratly islands that Vietnam, the Philippines and China all claim.

    While our navy is being dumbed down and rusting in port unable to put to sea and fight, a naval war is brewing in the South China Sea.
    Throwing out racial slurs, classic Apacherat.
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You Leftists need to SERIOUSLY become more informed.





    My Lai was the act of one rogue platoon. Dak Son and Hue were the result of official Communist policy.
    I said I'm not getting involved in the massacres or the gas.

    Thing is that villages and farms in the way of major strategic operations had potential ties to VC forces, with the result often being that soldiers often found themselves outflanked or surrounded. Since there was no realistic way to ascertain whether the villages and farms were loyal to one side or the other, maybe they disappear under a hail of gunfire and the problem doesn't present itself. At the very least, villages perceived to be "in the way" of operations are all collateral. Pentagon papers estimates put civilian losses due to such at 10,000, third-party estimates like Germany in the tens of thousands.

    Similar to the practice of fragging, where new, inexperienced, or otherwise incompetent officers suddenly found themselves a victim of friendly fire from veteran troops. Loose ends in Vietnam had a way of disappearing.
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Throwing out racial slurs, classic Apacherat.
    when I was in country I rarely used the term gook.. but most everybody else did... it was simply common lingo.
    I preferred the term "slope".. it just sounds better rolling off the tongue to me.

    when i'm talking about our previous enemies, I still use epithets .. I don't think i've ever met a Nam Vet that doesn't.
    no real need to be nice and sensitive to the very folks who were trying to kill you .. and whom you were trying to kill.


    as for Giap and my opinion on his death.. well,he's the person most responsible for the death of my older brother...I'll leave it at that.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The Vietnamese and Chinese are natural born enemies with each other. Gook hates gook.

    The war clouds are already forming over the South China Sea. The objective are the oil rich Paracel and Spratly islands that Vietnam, the Philippines and China all claim.

    While our navy is being dumbed down and rusting in port unable to put to sea and fight, a naval war is brewing in the South China Sea.
    Even if there is truth to this, try not being a racist ass. K?

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I said I'm not getting involved in the massacres or the gas.

    Thing is that villages and farms in the way of major strategic operations had potential ties to VC forces, with the result often being that soldiers often found themselves outflanked or surrounded. Since there was no realistic way to ascertain whether the villages and farms were loyal to one side or the other, maybe they disappear under a hail of gunfire and the problem doesn't present itself. At the very least, villages perceived to be "in the way" of operations are all collateral. Pentagon papers estimates put civilian losses due to such at 10,000, third-party estimates like Germany in the tens of thousands.

    Similar to the practice of fragging, where new, inexperienced, or otherwise incompetent officers suddenly found themselves a victim of friendly fire from veteran troops. Loose ends in Vietnam had a way of disappearing.
    You've been listening to too many myths.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    To think that he died so young.
    "Only to good die young."
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It won them the war.. so hardly a giant failure.
    Militairly it was massive defeat and the Americans would have been able to actually win the war if the Tet Offensive was used to support the war effort.

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