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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The ROK Tiger Division ? I know a former Army crew chief on a slick who said he witnessed it.

    My last six months in-country I served along side ROK Marines Blue Dragons. Their TAR was in and around Hoi An. It's interesting that to the best of my knowledge that Hoi An was the only city in the RVN that wasn't attacked during Tet of 68.

    Charley were scared ######## of ROK soldiers and Marines.
    Yeah they did.....but we didn't give any Orders, and some of them were reprimanded. Which was all we were going to get and all we got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Oh, you're so informed.
    Thank you.

    Indonesia likes Japan because they oppose the Chinese,
    Source?

    and Pakistan isn't an Asian country...at least most Asian don't consider them to be.
    asia-political-map.jpg

    Perhaps you could provide some dialogue to support your answers.
    BBC News - Pakistani PM hails China as his country's 'best friend'

    82% of Indonesians view Japan favorably, making them the most pro-Japanese country in the world.

    http://www.globescan.com/images/imag..._globescan.pdf
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    I never doubt the word of a Veteran, since my Father was one.
    I met my best "Vietnam" friend the summer after I graduated in 1971.
    He was the boss of our summer crew that worked for the town where I graduated.
    He turned me on to Led Zeppelin and told me stories I still try to forget.
    He was instrumental in inspiring me to "Go West" to the Rocky Mountains, especially the Canadians and Lake Louise.
    He was injured, physically and other ways, like a lot of guys in our small town. They didn't have the 2S deferment.
    I got real cynical when I was 1H for 7 years starting in 1972, the first year of no 2S deferment, while my friends pulled strings to get into National Guards out-of-state.
    I went to College, knowing Kissinger wouldn't draft during an election year.
    I "lost" my friend 6 years ago, too difficult to describe how he went.
    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That's what his family says and that may be true..... which means very little or nothing. But there is no denying he was part of the planning of TET. Moreover some of us were there and know first hand. So I doubt I would need to check with anyone on it.....

    These lessons were driven home in the Tet offensive of 1968, when North Vietnamese regulars and Vietcong guerrillas attacked scores of military targets and provincial capitals throughout South Vietnam, only to be thrown back with staggering losses. General Giap had expected the offensive to set off uprisings and show the Vietnamese that the Americans were vulnerable.

    General Giap had studied the military teachings of Mao Zedong, who wrote that political indoctrination, terrorism and sustained guerrilla warfare were prerequisites for a successful revolution. Using this strategy, General Giap defeated the French Army’s elite and its Foreign Legion at Dien Bien Phu in May 1954, forcing France from Indochina and earning the grudging admiration of the French.

    “He learned from his mistakes and did not repeat them,” Gen. Marcel Bigeard, who as a young colonel of French paratroops surrendered at Dien Bien Phu, told Peter G. Macdonald, one of General Giap’s biographers. But “to Giap,” he said, “a man’s life was nothing.”

    Hanoi’s casualty estimates are unreliable, so the cost of General Giap’s victories will probably never be known. About 94,000 French troops died in the war to keep Vietnam, and the struggle for independence killed, by conservative estimates, about 300,000 Vietnamese fighters. In the American war, about 2.5 million North and South Vietnamese died out of a total population of 32 million. America lost about 58,000 service members.

    Every minute, hundreds of thousands of people die on this earth,” General Giap is said to have remarked after the war with France. “The life or death of a hundred, a thousand, tens of thousands of human beings, even our compatriots, means little.” .....snip~

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/05/wo...anted=all&_r=0

    Edit.....btw, Al Zawahiri and AQ are following the same teachings.
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Um, no. The word 'Gook' first appeared in 1893 to refer to a prostitute.
    up.
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    It was the first time it appeared in print.

    Pick up the personal journal of Joseph Walker (trail blazer, fur trapper, Indian fighter)

    In his journal while in San Diego during the Mexican American war he writes he was present when Lt. Gillespie (U.S. Marine) was reporting to Commodore Stockton and reported "We killed some gooks yesterday." Walker asked Lt. Gillespie what was a gook ? Gillespie said Mexicans. That gook is anything that isn't American, foreign, strange or different.

    You can also find the word used in other Lt./Capt Gillipsi reports and papers held by the California State Military Museum in Sacramento and also find the word gook used in U.S. Navy ships logs and reports during the first half of the 19th Century at the U.S. Navy's archives located at the Washington DC Navy Yard.

    You can also read Richard Tregaskis book, "Guadalcanal Diary" where U.S. Marines routinely refer to the island of Guadalcanal as a gook island, not in reference to the Melanesian natives or the Japanese troops on the island but in reference to the jungle, rain, heat, humidity and the mud that was different and strange to the Marines who weren't use to the tropical island in the Southwest Pacific. A strange place compared to the Bronx.


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    This comment by the Pakistani PM just gives further creedence to what I consider the "hottest" zone on Earth, between Pakistan and India.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It was the first time it appeared in print.
    Glad you could admit that.


    Pick up the personal journal of Joseph Walker (trail blazer, fur trapper, Indian fighter)
    Right, because I happen to have one lying around.

    In his journal while in San Diego during the Mexican American war he writes he was present when Lt. Gillespie (U.S. Marine) was reporting to Commodore Stockton and reported "We killed some gooks yesterday." Walker asked Lt. Gillespie what was a gook ? Gillespie said Mexicans. That gook is anything that isn't American, foreign, strange or different.
    I've never heard of anyone using the term 'Gook' to refer to a place or setting. Even so, it has far more commonly been used to refer derogatorily to people.
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I never doubt the word of a Veteran, since my Father was one.
    I met my best "Vietnam" friend the summer after I graduated in 1971.
    He was the boss of our summer crew that worked for the town where I graduated.
    He turned me on to Led Zeppelin and told me stories I still try to forget.
    He was instrumental in inspiring me to "Go West" to the Rocky Mountains, especially the Canadians and Lake Louise.
    He was injured, physically and other ways, like a lot of guys in our small town. They didn't have the 2S deferment.
    I got real cynical when I was 1H for 7 years starting in 1972, while my friends pulled strings to get into National Guards out-of-state.
    I went to College, knowing Kissinger wouldn't draft during an election year.
    I "lost" my friend 6 years ago, too difficult to describe how he went.
    That's great and I am glad to know your Father served.....that you had a friend that was there and made it home. Now you know another. Sua Sponte!

    I am sure both would have pointed out the truth to you about Giap. Despite what Johnny Quest McCain has to say.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It was the first time it appeared in print.

    Pick up the personal journal of Joseph Walker (trail blazer, fur trapper, Indian fighter)

    In his journal while in San Diego during the Mexican American war he writes he was present when Lt. Gillespie (U.S. Marine) was reporting to Commodore Stockton and reported "We killed some gooks yesterday." Walker asked Lt. Gillespie what was a gook ? Gillespie said Mexicans. That gook is anything that isn't American, foreign, strange or different.

    You can also find the word used in other Lt./Capt Gillipsi reports and papers held by the California State Military Museum in Sacramento and also find the word gook used in U.S. Navy ships logs and reports during the first half of the 19th Century at the U.S. Navy's archives located at the Washington DC Navy Yard.

    You can also read Richard Tregaskis book, "Guadalcanal Diary" where U.S. Marines routinely refer to the island of Guadalcanal as a gook island, not in reference to the Melanesian natives or the Japanese troops on the island but in reference to the jungle, rain, heat, humidity and the mud that was different and strange to the Marines who weren't use to the tropical island in the Southwest Pacific. A strange place compared to the Bronx.

    Well you're not to concerned about those high brow judgments now.....are you? Myself.....I don't think they play any part of what is important.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Were you chauffeured around by the 129th Assault Helicopter Company?
    I doubt it, I was up in I Corps. Wasn't the 129th operating in ll Corps ?

    But the Army crew chief I was refering to was in ll Corps.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    You may not be able to answer this live.
    Why didn't we do an end-run maneuver to Haiphong, like Inchon, let alone bomb it?
    Is it as simple as the Soviets and Chinese were on the ground there?
    Weren't they flying missions out of there? I'm still learning as much as I can with my Military Cannel.
    Dad was very bitter about you guys having your hands tied.
    We both loved "Scoop" Jackson but Dad really turned against his fellow Mainer, Sen. Muskie.
    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That's great and I am glad to know your Father served.....that you had a friend that was there and made it home. Now you know another. Sua Sponte!

    I am sure both would have pointed out the truth to you about Giap. Despite what Johnny Quest McCain has to say.

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