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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did we seek out and execute school teachers and doctors, as a matter of policy?
    Nobody that important. But farms and villages that got in the way of large scale operations took heavy losses.

    I'm not getting involved in a debate about the unauthorized massacres or the gas.
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post

    The word "gook" is a U.S. Marine slang word, believed coined during the Barbary Pirate wars and used off and on for almost two hundred years in reference to any person, place or thing that is strange or not American. During the 1970's a white beard scratching liberal who never served in the Corps would use revisionism and create a PC definition for the word and label it as a derogatory term.
    Um, no. The word 'Gook' first appeared in 1893 to refer to a prostitute. It first rose to prominence among American soldiers in the Philippines. It originally was applied to Spanish speakers (Haitians, Nicaraguans, and some Filipinos), until it was revived commonly used to describe Koreans, until it generally referred to anyone who was East Asian.

    I can't tell if you were just misinformed or you just were making **** up.

    The libs did the same thing with the definition of what an assault rifle is.
    That's irrelevant and you know that.
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Keepin' it classy.
    Ah, while the terms may be outlandish, the message is true. They do all hate each other. Show me one country in Asia that likes the Japanese (due to WW2). Also show me one country that likes China (other than China). This area is quite the tinderbox.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what do you mean?
    the my lai massacre?
    taking two suspect VC for a ride in a USA huey with ROK soldiers on board interrogating them mid flight ... pushing one out the door to his certain death in order to prompt the other to talk
    [/sarcasm]
    The ROK Tiger Division ? I know a former Army crew chief on a slick who said he witnessed it.

    My last six months in-country I served along side ROK Marines Blue Dragons. Their TAR was in and around Hoi An. It's interesting that to the best of my knowledge that Hoi An was the only city in the RVN that wasn't attacked during Tet of 68.

    Charley were scared ######## of ROK soldiers and Marines.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Show me one country in Asia that likes the Japanese (due to WW2).
    Indonesia.

    Also show me one country that likes China (other than China).
    Pakistan.
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Nobody that important. But farms and villages that got in the way of large scale operations took heavy losses.

    I'm not getting involved in a debate about the unauthorized massacres or the gas.
    You Leftists need to SERIOUSLY become more informed.

    The Viet Cong set up provisional authorities shortly after capturing Huế in the early hours of January 31, 1968, and was charged with removing the existing government administration from power within the city and replacing it with a "revolutionary administration." Working from lists of "cruel tyrants and reactionary elements" previously developed by VC intelligence officers, many people were to be rounded up following the initial hours of the attack. These included Army of the Republic of Vietnam (ARVN) soldiers, civil servants, political party members, local religious leaders, American civilians and other international people.

    Massacre at Hu
    The Đắk Sơn Massacre was a massacre committed by the Viet Cong during the Vietnam War, in the village of Đắk Sơn, Đắk Lắk Province, South Vietnam.

    On December 5, 1967, two battalions of Viet Cong systematically killed 252 civilians in a "vengeance" attack on the hamlet of Đắk Sơn, home to over 2,000 Montagnards, known for their fierce opposition to the Viet Cong. The Vietcong believed that the hamlet had at one point given aid to refugees fleeing Viet Cong forces.

    Over 600 troops marched into the village, using flamethrowers to destroy the shelters and kill the men, women, and children who lived there. As the Viet Cong fired their weapons, people were incinerated inside their own homes, and some who had managed to escape into foxholes in their homes died of smoke inhalation. The homes that were not destroyed by flamethrowers were destroyed with grenades, and on the way out patches of the main town were set afire. Just before they left the village, the Viet Cong shot 60 of the 160 survivors. Most of the remaining villagers were taken hostage.


    Đắk Sơn massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    My Lai was the act of one rogue platoon. Dak Son and Hue were the result of official Communist policy.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    There is no reason for Giap to have ever fought against the U.S. We should have told the French imperialists to get stuffed back in 1945 and avoided the whole mess. The Vietnam War was the culmination of decades of political screw ups.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I read your article. Leave it to Sen. McCain to show some class, and I am being sincere.
    Here's another article. You may be comforted by the comments at the bottom.
    I hope your "feelings" toward liberals and anti war activists will simmer in your remaining time on Earth.
    My Dad was never the same after his several TDYs over there, as I remember from Mom.

    Legendary Vietnam Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap dies at 102 - Associated Press - POLITICO.com

    The article points out that Giap was out of the Country during Tet and was said to not be involved in its planning.
    Giap was also said to have been eased out after Ho Chih Minh died.
    It may not be my business, but I think you need to talk with brother Perotista a little more, even by PM. Best Wishes
    That's what his family says and that may be true..... which means very little or nothing. But there is no denying he was part of the planning of TET. Moreover some of us were there and know first hand. So I doubt I would need to check with anyone on it.....

    These lessons were driven home in the Tet offensive of 1968, when North Vietnamese regulars and Vietcong guerrillas attacked scores of military targets and provincial capitals throughout South Vietnam, only to be thrown back with staggering losses. General Giap had expected the offensive to set off uprisings and show the Vietnamese that the Americans were vulnerable.

    General Giap had studied the military teachings of Mao Zedong, who wrote that political indoctrination, terrorism and sustained guerrilla warfare were prerequisites for a successful revolution. Using this strategy, General Giap defeated the French Army’s elite and its Foreign Legion at Dien Bien Phu in May 1954, forcing France from Indochina and earning the grudging admiration of the French.

    “He learned from his mistakes and did not repeat them,” Gen. Marcel Bigeard, who as a young colonel of French paratroops surrendered at Dien Bien Phu, told Peter G. Macdonald, one of General Giap’s biographers. But “to Giap,” he said, “a man’s life was nothing.”

    Hanoi’s casualty estimates are unreliable, so the cost of General Giap’s victories will probably never be known. About 94,000 French troops died in the war to keep Vietnam, and the struggle for independence killed, by conservative estimates, about 300,000 Vietnamese fighters. In the American war, about 2.5 million North and South Vietnamese died out of a total population of 32 million. America lost about 58,000 service members.

    Every minute, hundreds of thousands of people die on this earth,” General Giap is said to have remarked after the war with France. “The life or death of a hundred, a thousand, tens of thousands of human beings, even our compatriots, means little.” .....snip~

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/05/wo...anted=all&_r=0

    Edit.....btw, Al Zawahiri and AQ are following the same teachings.
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The ROK Tiger Division ? I know a former Army crew chief on a slick who said he witnessed it.

    My last six months in-country I served along side ROK Marines Blue Dragons. Their TAR was in and around Hoi An. It's interesting that to the best of my knowledge that Hoi An was the only city in the RVN that wasn't attacked during Tet of 68.

    Charley were scared ######## of ROK soldiers and Marines.
    Were you chauffeured around by the 129th Assault Helicopter Company?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Indonesia.



    Pakistan.
    Oh, you're so informed. Indonesia likes Japan because they oppose the Chinese, and Pakistan isn't an Asian country...at least most Asian don't consider them to be. Perhaps you could provide some dialogue to support your answers.

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