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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You don't get to cherry pick your interpretation of history. The facts are what they are and aren't imagined.
    LOL you were the one that brought up WW1. Not my fault it is a classic example of how physiology and the moral of a population and armies has more to do with victory or loss than the actual battles.
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The Vietnamese and Chinese are natural born enemies with each other. Gook hates gook.

    The war clouds are already forming over the South China Sea. The objective are the oil rich Paracel and Spratly islands that Vietnam, the Philippines and China all claim.

    While our navy is being dumbed down and rusting in port unable to put to sea and fight, a naval war is brewing in the South China Sea.
    Nice to see the use of racist language.
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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Why not shut down your computer and visit a decent research library and expand your knowledge. But then again you were probably never taught how to research history. You are forced to rely on others individual opinions on history. That's what history books are, ones opinions on historical events and people. Now if you don't know where to go and what to look for on what history is written from, I could direct you in the right direction. In fact I already have with the politically incorrect phrase that so many libs got their panties all wadded up over. Funny no one got their panties all wadded up before the 1970's isn't it ? Why is that ? Could it be political ? Which gives me an idea of a new hornets nest thread, Progressives Three Card Monte, how the left plays games with words.
    Why not cite ANY source, your links were as always bogus. You duck and dodge all facts I bring up like the meaning of the Korean words, and attempt to claim the word Gook was used when fighting barbary pirates! That some GIs used the word in France????

    Fact is PLENTY of evidence supports the word as a racial slur.... IF you ever was overseas and near the pointy end of the **** stick I'm sure you heard the scream- "Gooks in the wire!" The guy didn't mean people foreign to us...

    Trying to claim a word wasn't a slur before 1970's is ignorant. Once it was quite acceptable to call black folks the 'N' word. Calling a china man 'chink' was acceptable.

    It isn't a matter of politics, it is a matter of respect... something CONs I guess is 'gook' to them.

    Three card monte vs CON games... your attempt to say there are Commander in Chief regs falls in the latter.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    LOL you were the one that brought up WW1. Not my fault it is a classic example of how physiology and the moral of a population and armies has more to do with victory or loss than the actual battles.
    Are you claiming the Allies lost WW1.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Why not cite ANY source, your links were as always bogus. You duck and dodge all facts I bring up like the meaning of the Korean words, and attempt to claim the word Gook was used when fighting barbary pirates! That some GIs used the word in France????

    Fact is PLENTY of evidence supports the word as a racial slur.... IF you ever was overseas and near the pointy end of the **** stick I'm sure you heard the scream- "Gooks in the wire!" The guy didn't mean people foreign to us...

    Trying to claim a word wasn't a slur before 1970's is ignorant. Once it was quite acceptable to call black folks the 'N' word. Calling a china man 'chink' was acceptable.

    It isn't a matter of politics, it is a matter of respect... something CONs I guess is 'gook' to them.

    Three card monte vs CON games... your attempt to say there are Commander in Chief regs falls in the latter.
    Apacherat is right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You didn't read the source you cited did you?

    First line-

    GOOK is a derogatory term for for East Asians (especially Koreans) which came to prominence in reference to enemy soldiers. US Marines serving in the Philippines in the early 20th century used the word to refer to Filipinos.

    Apache has tried to claim the term came from the Barbary pirate campaign, and it isn't a slur.

    I gave the root of the word as from Korean meaning country. Hangook is Korean for Korea, and Migook for America.

    I seriously doubt ANYONE but Apache has EVER heard a soldier use that term for anyone but a Asian and never as anything but a slur.

    FYI Urban Dictionary and wikidictionary give a far more detailed description of the term and it's history.

    But like I said, using a racial slur when looking at anybody is still using a racial slur. Calling a white guy the 'N' word doesn't negate the slur aspect. Some white guys might think it intensifies it a tad...

    That white folks were routinely using racial attack words for other races and people back in the 19th century doesn't make it right today.

    Some Cons may see that as some liberal plot, most Americans see it as growing up...

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    You didn't read the source you cited did you?

    First line-

    GOOK is a derogatory term for for East Asians (especially Koreans) which came to prominence in reference to enemy soldiers. US Marines serving in the Philippines in the early 20th century used the word to refer to Filipinos.

    Apache has tried to claim the term came from the Barbary pirate campaign, and it isn't a slur.

    I gave the root of the word as from Korean meaning country. Hangook is Korean for Korea, and Migook for America.

    I seriously doubt ANYONE but Apache has EVER heard a soldier use that term for anyone but a Asian and never as anything but a slur.

    FYI Urban Dictionary and wikidictionary give a far more detailed description of the term and it's history.

    But like I said, using a racial slur when looking at anybody is still using a racial slur. Calling a white guy the 'N' word doesn't negate the slur aspect. Some white guys might think it intensifies it a tad...

    That white folks were routinely using racial attack words for other races and people back in the 19th century doesn't make it right today.

    Some Cons may see that as some liberal plot, most Americans see it as growing up...
    Yes I did read the source. Did YOU?...lol!
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Nice to see the use of racist language.
    Used more in line with the original definition of the phrase , it's strange and hard to understand the hatred that has existed for hundreds of years between the Chinese and Vietnamese people.

    Would Gobbledygook have been a better choice of words ?

    To the best of my knowledge the PC police haven't made up their minds on that word.

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Why not cite ANY source, your links were as always bogus. You duck and dodge all facts I bring up like the meaning of the Korean words, and attempt to claim the word Gook was used when fighting barbary pirates! That some GIs used the word in France????

    Fact is PLENTY of evidence supports the word as a racial slur.... IF you ever was overseas and near the pointy end of the **** stick I'm sure you heard the scream- "Gooks in the wire!" The guy didn't mean people foreign to us...

    Trying to claim a word wasn't a slur before 1970's is ignorant. Once it was quite acceptable to call black folks the 'N' word. Calling a china man 'chink' was acceptable.

    It isn't a matter of politics, it is a matter of respect... something CONs I guess is 'gook' to them.

    Three card monte vs CON games... your attempt to say there are Commander in Chief regs falls in the latter.
    I spent the fist six months of 1970 based out of Hoi An which was the TAR of the ROK Marines Blue Dragon's Brigade. Care to explain why the South Koreans also used the term gook when referring to the NVA and VC ?

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    Re: Vietnam's General Vo Nguyen Giap dies

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I was only involved in one operation where ARVAN was on our flank. I heard stories, way too many stories. I didn't feel comfortable with ARVAN even being in the vicinity. I'm lucky to have never having been attached to an ARVAN unit spotting NGF for. I would rather have been attached to the Marines 1/9 aka the walking dead. Those poor bastards, every time they went out in the bush it's as if they were magnets attracting large NVA units. You have to search hard to find someone who served with 1/9 who doesn't have the Purple Heart.
    well, when we were up by Boom boom Rock, we only had to deal with them sporadically.. at Chu lai, they were up our ass non-stop.

    we had a Marine K-9 detachment on Monkey Mountain that went on a day patrol with an ARVN platoon...I was in country for about 3 or 4 months, still a boot, still green as ****
    we glassed them going out and watched as the entire Platoon stopped, stripped to their skivvies and sunbathed.
    the Marines headed back and it wasn't 10 seconds after they came in the wire that mortars started fallin'..Marvin didn't even budge, they didn't even flinch.. they just kept catching rays.
    that's the exact moment I knew there was something fishy goin' on..

    when the Gunny tells me i'm heading out with them... I told him ok, but none of them would be coming back with me.
    Gunny was squared away, he knew the deal... he let me slide.

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